Also, the dialogue system has been going in a much better direction with each game. In Morrowind, every NPC had like 15 options of dialogue but 13 of those 15 where the exact same thing that every other NPC in the game said, which was just terrible. Oblivion had it where there were much fewer dialogue options but there was much more unique dialogue. Also there is more dialogue in Oblivion than Morrowind, just putting that out there. Now in Skyrim, it has as I explained above. They aren't just generic villager X, they are unique people.

The quote found in the title is one of my main gripes about New Vegas.

NCR Soldier: Patrolling the Mojave almost makes you-
Me: EAT FLAMER FUEL! :flamethrower:

More annoying than "i saw a mudcrab" ever was.

That's just the impersonal overpopulated world we now live in. In 1200 the population of Britain (for example) was about 1.5 million (today London alone is close to 8 million people); so if a stranger appeared in town, where everyone knows everyone else intimately, it wouldn't be just a another faceless drone passing by, it would be an interesting event. You'd likely say hello. People today still acknowledge each other in the countryside, simply because seeing yet another passing strange person isn't as commonplace as in a big city.

I really hope that NPCs at the very least all have names, and aren't just called 'villager' or 'traveling merchant'.

I don't understand the threads title?

Except that hasn't been confirmed so it's just speculation stated as fact...you do that...a lot.

Except it's not speculation :thumbsup:

Its a reference to Fallout New Vegas. This was a common line by NCR soldiers, it was actually so common that it got far worse than hearing about Mudcrabs. The cool thing is, I know that and have never even played New Vegas. I'ts cool how reading a thread will do that for you.

Edit: @Sleign: Source please. I am not going to get in the way of your guys' http://mcsalty.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/01/Internet_argument1-e1264973032902.jpg I just want to know if that is actually confirmed or not.

Yeah, every NPC is Oblivion had a unique line. But at what cost? Every town was half empty, making the capital of the Empire look like a ghost town.

I'm sure all NPCs will retain their unique routine, home and name. You'll still be able to ask them about rumors without entering normal dialogue. And with the radiant storyline some of them could even give you quests or be a part of one.

I know that I don't get approached by tourists all the time asking about rumors of buried treasure and such, I don't think npcs should always have to put up with that.

A place inhabited by wandering obstacles isn't what I'd really call "alive".


Source? That would be some good news if it's true, but if Todd or someone didn't actually say it, then I can't believe it considering that's what they did with Fallout 3.

Assassin's Creed feels really darn alive. Much moreso than any bethesda game.

i hope they at least give every npc a name. It will help.

Not to me. Being able to look in some direction, see an NPC, and know they have specific wants and needs, and have a specific goal that changes as time passes, makes the world feel much more inhabitable than a game that just copy-pastes models and has them walk around to fill space.

I need to be able to make a mental connection to an NPC for them to feel "living", and the fewer I can make a connection to, the less alive it feels. Having a lot of aimless NPC drones is no where near as good, to me, as having fewer NPCs that have something unique to them (even if it's a small something) and that do what want they want when they want.

I'm with you. Any "add this to the game" request for every lil' mundane thing is now always explained as being "immersive", like some folks want to live through a character in a video game.

Personally, I'd prefer more anonymous NPCs with nothing to say. I'm not really interested in over-hearing "personal conversations" or having a random conversation about nothing with some random NPC.

Immersion breaking? Oh, so you talk to every single person you come across in real life, do you?

This.

So sick of the "I" word being overused and splashed into any conversation about game features.

It's reached the same "sign to ignore what the person's saying" status as business buzzwords..... ("leverage the commoditized thought-capital, for outside-the-box blahblahblahblah....." :facepalm: )

I don't care if it's unrealistic, the more dialogue the better. I don't even consider those generic NPCs as NPCs, since they say the same thing and don't do anything to make the world feel any larger.
If Skyrim becomes Fallout in that there are those generic NPCs, it means that there'll only be 10 or so NPCs you can have a conversation with in each town. I want people to talk to.
The worst thing in Fallout was walking up to some random settler in the wastes, who's sitting in his little chair with a refrigerator full of Brahmin behind him and a shotgun lying next to him, who looks and sounds like he has a story to tell in these lonely wastes, and is the kind of guy who'd you love to have a chat with about life roaming the wasteland... and all he says is the exact same [censored] thing that some Gambler in the casinos says to me.

many of you make good points, dialogue is good though

I don't like the new system so far. I liked Morrowinds dialogue, even if it was archaic. It was really how I immersed myself in the game, because there were so many topics to discuss, even if they were all the same. Made me feel like the characters were people, not a one liner or a quest mechanic. I think the perfect, albiet ridiculous, system would be a combination of voiced dialogue (which I don't care about, but most people do) and Morrowinds text boxes and loads of dialogue. Ridiculous, but perhaps ideal.

I do like how dialogue is in real time though, removes a lot of exploits and increases immersion. I just don't like how they had to reduce the number of topics to do it.
And with non-named NPC's, how will I ever make friends with shopkeepers and fellow drinking budies, or my fellow scholars? Sad... :sadvaultboy:

Me third, this and 'realism' requests.

Yes, indeed. I'd like to be able to strike it from the collective vocabulary of the world.

My answer to the poll is: "No, doesn't matter."

I don't have a problem with it; in OB there were plenty of characters that when I tried to talk to them, you could only ask about rumors and play the dumb persuasion game.

EDIT: not having in depth dialog with non-important characters also cuts lag and boosts performance.

Look, we are just trying to think outside of the box here so we can increase immersion and realism.

I think everyone should see Yahtzee Critic on Oblivion in Escapistmagazine.com, he explains very well the main problem with Immersion. As he said Immersion might not be a big issue for some games but for games like The Elder Scrolls it can destroy it.
What i see here is a group of people who play Elder Scrolls as they would play a game like Yakuza who is just a hack and slash adventure game.. Immersion for this kind of play might not be truly important i guess, but for players like myself who like to feel in the shoes of the character and completely join the game world its gonna be all about Immersion. So if i'm playing Oblivion and i see a Gate Open with a few guards fighting demons and once i reach them theres only one of the still alive and we manage to fight off the demon horde together and at the end of all that he turns to me and goes "Good day citizen!" how can you not help but to feel disappointed? Did it make me stop playing Oblivion? No.. but it really did a impact on my game experience.

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