We haven't seen it?!

I prefer it to be more like hello and good bye , maybe they talk to each other about a topic now and again like in oblivion but i dont want to be able to hold conversations with every npc out there I dont want to talk to every1 in my house half the time how friggin weird would it be to have conversations with every 1 on the street,... I dont know about you but like in the work place you just go around sayin hi ( maybe) and thats about it you dont hold conversations with every 1 you happen to be standing near at bus stops or on a plane or when getting on or off the tram it would be too unreal so why have it different in the game especially since it would eat up space that could be used better elsewhere.

I want to know how all those gamblers got into the strip when all they have on them is just their clothes, why do I need 2000 caps when I'am the guest of Mr house. Lets discuss that bit of busted ass immersion before we get into repetitive dialog,knowing NPC's names upon seeing them,floating guns and .....I could go all night. Immersion is a word you use to piggyback an idea you have into a conversation about implementing a feature into a game.(I should know,I do it all the time :hubbahubba: ) It's the only argument you can use against an aspect of the game you find annoying. I despise floating guns and weapons and would like something adhering it to my avatar.(I seen the screen shots and I got a bit of what I wanted to boot! :celebration:) You guys can say were nit pickers(your right mostly) but,I would never let these things stop me from playing and outright enjoying the game. Things will always annoy you but there differences between discussion on here and demanding it and whining about how the game is bad because of X.

As long as they have unique names and a tiny bit to say (unique to that npc), it's fine with me.

I think they should have names, but i don't think its necessary to have each NPC have dialouge. "The emperor is dead...." Yes, thats what EVERY other person in Tamriel has told me in the exact same way.

So does that mean that never once in a million years you would ever respond to them?

Im just trying to wrap my head around the "People dont ask about rumors in real life" arugment. If someone you didnt know walked up and said 'hey whats going on' you would just look at them blankly and not utter a word? Thats pretty [censored] weird behavior if you ask me.

Not to mention, the playable character is the dovakiin...the dragon born.....the savior of the world. Dont you think people would WANT to talk to that guy? Or at least they wouldnt mind sharing the latest gossip with him?

Playing STALKER makes you wish for a nuclear winter.

They should attack you if you keep talking to them. Why talk to random NPC villager 121 10 times when there are monsters to kill and loot to get.

unfortunatly we might not be seing any funny machinimas anymore you know like all those ones that involve weebam-na

Most non-quest givers inOblivion only had basic things to say. It's nothing new. It doesn't mean generic "townsperson" or anything. It would be nice if people would (if they liked you enough) give a little info about the town they live in or perhaps themselves, though I know this can be an issue with cost and game space. But I didn't like it in Morrowind how everyone was basically a copy of an encyclopedia either.

And I don't mind the idea of having NPCs randomly generated, but making them piecesof scenery who appear all the time and dissapear once you turn a corner to be replaced by other pieces of scenery, like in AC, would not work for TES. It's been confirmed that NPCs will have a history with you and reactions to stuff you do based on that, which sounds good to me.

I used to think this would bother me, but after seeing it in Nehrim (total conversion mod for Oblivion), it really doesn't seem that bad. You get used to it after a while, and it detracts less than you think from immersion.

It really doesn't seem to me, based on what I've heard, that it's like Fallout. In Fallout, NPCs would just say some generic, usually pointless statement if you spoke to them, yet here, it seems that NPCs with no full dialog actually give you rumors and other pieces of information, and don't tell you the same thing every time, so it doesn't seem that different from what past games already did, since it's not like you had real conversations with NPCs anyway. You just spoke to them, selected a topic you wanted to hear about, and they'd say something, select another topic, and they'd tell you something different, it seems like Skyrim is just skipping the selecting topics part for Skyrim.

Though I'm not sure I'd really mind if it was like Fallout, consider. People have criticized past Elder Scrolls games for not having enough NPCs in cities, thus cities feel under-populated, and I kind of agree. I didn't mind the size of Oblivion's cities, but I wouldn't mind if they felt more populated, so how do you make cities feel more populated? You add more people, of course. But there's the problem, Bethesda can't possibly make every NPC unique, the more characters you add, the more generic NPCs you'll have, so why not just drop in some random, generic NPCs to add the illusion of the game being more populated, you can still have the people who matter be unique, in fact, this way, it may allow them to be more unique as Bethesda doesn't have to try to give every NPC an identity, so they can focus on the important ones. I don't see this breaking immersion because in real life, I don't know who every single person I see on the street is, nor do I really care, I don't get into in-depth discussions of politics, history and religion with random people I meet on the street either, for that matter, so why should it be any different in games?

This. I kind of just figured that if anything this meant they were simply adding more npcs to the game. Think if Oblivion had the same exact amount of NPCs, nothing changed. Now add an equal amount of random NPCs that populate the world to make it feel more real and populated. When you look at it this way you realize you arent losing anything that you previously had, you are simply gaining.

If Joe the woodcutter is only going to say "Hey I heard theres dragons around" then he may as well just save it. I dont know where it was confirmed that NPCs with no dialog will still give rumors, Id love to see a link. But even if they dont its not a big deal as long as there are at least as many NPCs to talk to as Oblivion. Im guessing there will be.

Then back it up with a source.

So you can look in a direction and know these things when walking down the street. Nice to meet you professor X, those mental connections must be awesome. About the only thing I would expect in normal life to be able to ask a random person on an average day is directions. And when I glance down the street I don't see names, goals etc. I just see people walking.

But you can watch them and find out what they do, where they go, how they live, and so on, they're not just scenery.

I thought it was awesome in Oblivion how even when an NPC isn't mentioned that much or has that much dialouge, just by observing their schedule you could infer that they were hard workers, heavy drinkers, travelers, etc. by looking at how much they spent working, at the tavern, or on the road, etc. You couldn't see this with "Citizen of [Enter City Name Here]" NPCs.

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Basically what I am saying.

I'm not sure how it will affect the game. I have adapted a wait-and-see attitude on this.

I don't mind too much. It makes it easier to find the important people and avoids the feeling that everyone seems to want to talk to you (seriously, the number of times you'd walk past someone and they'd gawk at you just for being on the same walkway as them).

Even OB had generic npcs, like guards for example and so did Beth's own game FO3, where did you hear all npcs will be named? Also it is like Fallout, you click on the person and they just talk, no dialouge tree, no options for rumors or anything. You click on them again and they say more, just like generic npcs in the New Vegas.

As for named npcs, I find it odd that I know everyone's name ahead of time, on the other hand it does make in obvious that some npcs are important because they don't have names. So I would say either make them all have names or none of them have names until you talk to them and they tell you there name or there a well know npc in the world.

well, between clicking the guy to have him say hi, and then have the "options" of "rumors" and.... well, that's it, OR having him tell me the rumor directly, I don't mind that much. besides, I doubt they'll always say the same thing.

Also, I'm [censored] tired of seeing the word "immersion" employed when the whole concept in itself is SO FAR from immersive. I mean, who the hell walks down a hallway and asks EVERYONE about the rumors?

It worked well in FO:3 and NV both. I'm fine with it.

A detective.

I think that actually increases the immersion. If you walk up to someone on the street and try to start a conversation 9 times out of 10 they'll blow you off or nod and go "uh huh, cool" not even listening to what you're saying.