Imperial horse must look cooler and should have golden armor at it but it must cost as much as normal horses OR it should instead change looking of an horse into Imperial horse(just like transmog)
Cant explain why its p2w cuz of NDA but there really is big differance
(This is not a qq, this is just a suggestion that would make things alot better, was going to post in one of other topics if they were not locked)

Nevermind

Im calling the PETA if you dont stop beating that poor horse.

I don't understand what you're trying to say.

Anyone can earn gold. You are not buying a statistical advantage that is impossible to a non-Imperial player.

He meant change instead of chance.

Yes thats what I was assuming at first when I saw imperial horse, I would assume it would be a buyable horse like everyone else, but just have that exclusive skin, but no, thats not enough, give them a free one from start, that's fair for sure.

Oh well, nothing will change until people stop opening wallets to thieves, until then we have to deal with it, but I will discourage as many people as I can on other forums from ever caving in to such thievery.

Why is that pay 2 win. They already stated the horse has same speed as horses you buy ingame. Lots of mmo's have something unique in a CE you cannot get any other way. SWG had glasses, SWTOR had some vendor with CE stuff on it and even a security key vendor for those who had a security key. Even games like Dead Space had cool armors and weapons in it's CE. It is common in mmo world and not a bad thing. Stop whining. People (like me) who buy the CE should get awesome stuff because the price is higher. If you want it you buy the CE. If you don't like it, stop playing mmo's because EVERY P2P MMO has it.

Wow take it your new to collectors editions aswell. This is normal stop crying over it. Thieves...... i wonder about people sometimes.

Actually the one starts with (almost) free horse will progress alot faster and if they start playing in first they the one with free horse is likely to reach level 50 among first which will result in that guy becoming richest and best player if he does not fail. I think this is pay to win enaugh.
Pay to win is when you instantly gain boost over other players. If we think from your sight then nor d3 would be pay2win

Im not aganist the horse itself , im aganist the fact horse cam be achieved alot faster then other horses. Again you would know if you were in beta

Tbh I don't consider that its a huge bonus, BUT it is quite an advantage, I can't speak about the world due to NDA and all, but trust me when I say, a horse is a HUMONGOUS help, and getting that for real money is not considered cash shop?

It is in my book, and I'll say again, this is what I'd expect from a f2p game, not a game that starts with a payed box price and a sub....

You pay real money for extra advantages, you tell me what that is, I don't call it p2w, but it's freaking under it by 2 inches thats for sure.

Anyone can reach level 50. You are not buying a statistical advantage that is impossible to a non-Imperial player.

Edit: Pay to win is not "boosting," It's buying a statistical advantage over a player that cannot be obtained by in-game means. Being given a horse is not P2W, unless that horse is actually faster than those in-game. Hitting the cap first us not P2W, unless the cap you hit is actually higher than those without the Imperial edition can reach.

Thing is, you are, you can't just say that you aren't when you clearly are.

Buy horse for money or buy for ingame currency. What is that exactly?

Pay to ride.

Even the slightest bonus by real momey is p2w, its not about having somethink other players cant have. Its about instant gaining somethink other players waste time to gain.

Also stop arguing about pay to win part and instead check the suggestion

Yes i do know you can ride the horse faster than other players. But what is the matter about that. I can use way shrines and beat the horse that way. And i don't care other players run faster then me. I am not in a hurry. Man what a stupid reason this is. Is it a race to finish quests first?

Wrong again pal. Pay 2 win in mmo's only applies to end level. None of the CE items give you this boost.

Getting a boost is not gaining an unobtainable advantage over someone else. Saving a little time by spending a little extra cash is not pay-to-win. if the extra bit of money required for the Imperial Edition is that important to you, why not put the work you would otherwise have to put into grinding into an hour of overtime?

If the game let you have a better weapon or get to a higher level or master a skill only by paying cash it would be pay to win.

Age of Wushu does that. And it will never succeed, no matter how good and revolutionary it is as a game, because of that.

TESO does not do that.

It makes you pay for commodities, for advantages during the leveling phase.

This is NOT pay to win and it is actually keeping the game AWAY from the pay to win model.

And honestly guys who cares if someone is getting to the cap level faster than you? Do you really expect to be world first 50? And what would be the point of that anyway? Where is the fun?

It's completely reasonable to be annoyed about the horse or the Imperial race, by the way. But calling it pay-to-win completely overblows your issue and centers discussion around that. Hyperbole does you no favours, and people focus on the hyperbole regardless of whether or not the original point was legitimate.

Yes most F2P games becomes more and more expensive as you get closer it end game , they are still seldom real p2w as it mostly saves time

Free to play = pay to win in most cases.

There is no element of skill in travelling from point a to point b faster than somebody else. Having a horse doesn't allow the player to bypass difficult content designed to check the players progress. Include the fact that horses aren't exclusive to CE buyers, It can be attained in game and likely will only require saving for the first character, since subsequent characters will likely be funded the main character. I do not see this as P2W.

They wont have horses in the cash shop, where did you fantasize that.

They have said there will be a cash shop, but not full with items go give you boosts or armours for your char.

I do agree price is a bit steep, when they have both opening price that high and sub.

Nothing in the pre order does really give any advantage, not even the all race, it is just bad for lore, and at the same time not. debatable, I were against it at first.

If i was a DEV i wouldnt do that.

But if i was a publisher hmmmmmm thanks for the hint...

I disagree with the premise that it's pay to win.

Pay to win is purchasing something that will result in a win for you, something that unless another player purchases as well, they will have almost zero chance of beating you, hence pay to win. In the end you will still have similar weapons and skills as any other player. In the end they, without paying a cent, will still have exactly the same chances as you to win.

Using the OPs logic playing the game earlier than someone else would also be pay to win. Those who buy the game and play at launch will have a pay to win advantage over anyone who buys it a few months down the road.