Problem with that is Pelinal loved Morihaus (volume 5 of the song is just about the love he has for Morihaus, calling him his nephew, which could be a myth-echo of the Love Between Shor and Kyne aswell).

Platonic, platonic.

While your issue does seem to raise an interesting dillema, I would state that either (1) "Love" (with a capital 'L') is divine, but due to being given to NIRN, all mortal aspects of the Divines (i.e., Aka) can feel that emotion, which is called "love" (with a lower case 'l') or (2) that Pelinal could feel love because he was from the future, a time after the Nerevarine Prophecies and the releasing of the Heart of Lorkhan.

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It seems to me that Pelinal was probably a incarnation of Lorkhan, which is to say a combination of Akatosh and Lorkhan, (If you assume that Akatosh and Lorkhan are two sides of the same coin.) From the Song of Pelinal It is a solid truth that Morihaus was the son of Kyne, but whether or not Pelinal was indeed the Shezarrine is best left unsaid (Shezarrine being like the Neravarine, a reincarnation, or in this case, an avatar.)

It's not so much that he's from the future, it's just that as a mortal incarnation of an Ada, it's pretty obvious that time is just something to trifle with.

Another possibility is that this is just some good old fashioned propaganda written for the 1st Era's greatest warriors, by comparing him to Akatosh/Lorkhan we are deifying his name, thus promoting him to almost Talos like fame. What better way to prove mankind's worth than to have the god's on their sides, (After the selective replaced them of course. :hubbahubba:)

Considering the powers that his armor and weapons possessed, as well as what the Prophet said, it appears that they really were relics of the Eight. Not to mention what the CoC had to go through to get some of the artifacts.

Muthsera,

First, MK (who, I am told, is the literary creator of Pelinal) has specifically stated that Pelinal Whitestrake is a time travelling entity of war and bloodshed.

Second, Pelinal may not, necessarily, be mortal. http://www.imperial-library.info/history/merethic.shtml states that Pelinal is immortal, and additionally went by the name "Ysmir".

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That's just in reference to the reincarnation of Lorkhan, how he is reborn throughout time to gather up his armies [of men], fight some massive battles, reinact the enantiomorph with his other half, lover and witness, then be killed (which normally follows with a massive political/worldly change). Pelinal is not immortal, but the Shezzarine is.

Not immortal, but not a mortal. Get the prefixes right.

*sigh* so now Pelinal is Ysmir as well. That's just wonderful.

I'm starting to think that if anyone has any doubts about who someone's true identity is, it's automatically Ysmir.

By the way, on the subject of Ysmir, I started a thread awhile ago on Ysmir's theological origins, suggesting that it was another version of Akatosh (because of the dragon thing). I was immediately shot down by one of you (I know where you live). The basis was that the Nordic religion predated all Akatosh worship by ~2000 years, and eventually, Ysmir's aspect was changed to fit Tiber Septim. As you all can see, this never sat well with me. How about a decent explanation, and we can all get back to winged-bull talk.

Actually, if I remember correctly, that history of the Merethic has been around for at least a couple years. I'm fairly certain I remember seeing it in or around 2005. However, I may be going insane and making memories up.


I'll wait for someone else more knowledgeable to either confirm/deny it.

Ysmir is one of many incarnations of Lorkhan that usually fulfill his Nordic offices as representatives of Shor. There have been many with equally many names. Arnand the Fox... Hairy-Breeks....
Pelinal is another incarnation of Lorkhan, but happens to be Akatosh as well, so its better to think of them as seperate. All the Ysmir-type incarnations are Viking Warrior Kings, not swarmfoam war fractals from the future.

We don't know what the Nedes wore back then.

But we do know atleast they knew nothing of the Red Diamond (which covers Pelinals Armour, being the actual shape of the Shield), a Symbol not to come for hundreds to thousands of years. Plus, the armour is part steel, and it's been mentioned before that the technique used to make steel from Iron, wouldn't be known to the Nedic People yet (or atleast not the Cyro-Nede slaves, who would most likely be using stolen Ayleid weapondry and armour, and their own crudely made ones, which would be based on Ayleid designs (because they would have no other reference to go by, unless they had access to Nordic Blacksmiths)).

In the Song of Pelinal, it is mentioned that "Kyne granted Perrif another symbol, a diamond soaked red with the blood of elves". Not to mention that the armor pieces are relics of the Eight, made to withstand Umaril's power; they were not made by the people.

We don't know what sort of metallurgy that they had, but it had to have been good enough to defeat the Ayleids and their magics. After all, many of the former slaves probably worked in smithies and forges.

This is off-topic, but I wonder if "swarmfoam" means that a future (insectile?) hive-mind carved Pelinal's body from a waxlike foam, or if it was something like nanotechnology. I wonder if his creators were intelligent nonhumans on the one hand, or mortals on the other hand. Pelinal seems to be a golem, an unliving body into which an ada/spirit was placed.

Okay, back to your topic.

I suspect the intention was closer to an anology of quantum foam. Probabilistic turbulence in space-time at a small enough scale that entities and their antitheses can spontaneously appear, collide and annihilate without violating the law of conservation of matter/energy. A flea of assertion (and its anti-twin) on a wolf of naught, without pissing off the wolf too badly.

'Hive-mind' is probably not a bad guess, but I'd look closer to home rather than invoking a futuristic insect civilization. Aurbis as Gestalt, possibly?

Err... in other words, I'm saying 'swarmfoam' probably wasn't meant to be taken as a physical descriptor at all.

You're probably right. Thanks.

Probably, but the image of a crazed geometric anomaly emerging from a bloody mess of guts and vapor still works.

I feel sorry for the first netch herder or whoever that Pelinal encountered. "Your clothes . . . I need them!" and then he pulls the mer's heart out.

On second thought, he would have already had his armor. But the Terminator image still works for him.

I wonder why Pelinal was sent to the past anyway. Perhaps it was to ensure that the Nedes won their war against the Ayleids.

Perhaps he was sent to scout ahead for an intergalactic force that eats planets. :dance:
I would like it much more if it just were a mistake. Not so much "OH MY I PRESSED THE WRONG BUTTON" but more just.. a strange coincident of some sorts.
But it probably isn't.

Yeah, but I draw a distinction there when talking about Lore-experts. It's like comparing a great student of the classics with the authors of said classics. MK is one of the sources of the Lore, and not just a plain Lore-master. Lore-master < Lore-maker.

Well said, my friend.

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I would to. I always figured it was because of a Dragon Break, the same way some of those books were sent to the past.

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