Pelinal Whitestrake and Morihaus

Post » Fri May 27, 2011 9:15 am

Alright this may sound stupid but what exactly was Pelinal and Morihaus?
Pelinal was like, what the incarnation of a god and Morihaus the son of Kynareth?
Also in the book series The Song of Pelinal it says " And he walked into the jungles of Cyrod already killing." And something like "and he ran into battle shouting the name of Reman, which noone yet knew" Does this mean he was from the future?

Again it might be a dumb question but The Song of Pelinal was a bit confusing to me.
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Post » Fri May 27, 2011 9:59 am

That armor isn't exactly period-correct for the Nedes.

He's mad like Akatosh and missing a heart like Lorkhan.
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Post » Fri May 27, 2011 12:50 pm

That armor isn't exactly period-correct for the Nedes.

He's mad like Akatosh and missing a heart like Lorkhan.

So he does come from the future?
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Post » Fri May 27, 2011 12:23 am

Well either you can take that and everything else completely literal and the ES becomes a very strange but also strangely enjoyable world, or you can it with a few grains of salt. It is a hero saga glorifying the bloody massacre of thousands after all. ;)

Pelinal was an Ada, a spirit, and it might be that he can oversee the whole future ahead of him. His ghost already had considerable trouble trying to understand if he already had or had not yet spoken too you when you see him the first time.

Alternatively, Sed-Yenna would have named the new born baby Reman after Pelinals battle cry to give him a mythic image as Cyrodiil Come (kingdom come). Reman means "Light of Man" which isn't an odd battle cry for Pelinal.

Third possibility would be that Pelinal was just typing random garble to the public chat while he charged. Sages then questioned about the meaning of it looked at the general direction of Pelinal and decided on "Light of Man" because a whole lot of Ayleid were dying which brightened their mood.

http://www.imperial-library.info/obbooks/remanada.shtml
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Post » Fri May 27, 2011 10:37 am

wow. thanks guys. By the way, Proweler, i have been reading through threads that take my interest and i noticed that in many of them you reply with very detailed answers, are you like a Lore Master or something?
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Post » Fri May 27, 2011 3:32 pm

Yes he is. He's the Et'Ada of Lore. :)
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Post » Fri May 27, 2011 3:42 pm

wow. thanks guys. By the way, Proweler, i have been reading through threads that take my interest and i noticed that in many of them you reply with very detailed answers, are you like a Lore Master or something?


He's modest, and will no doubt deny it, but yes, he's our resident Lore Master.

No matter what he tells you about his Lore Master status, remember this:

A theory on the forums has little credibility unless Prowler has commented on it in the affirmative. Unless, of course, you supply adequate quotes. Even then, though, people are hesitant to say anything about a new theory unless Prowler, Albides, Wierd, or Paw-Prints have said something about it. Of course, Nalion, Mortazo, and TWM are also wonderfully insightful sources of lore-knowledge. However, Nalion and TWM don't post as much anymore. Also, Mort's a little opinionated about some of the new lore, but lately he's kinda' chilled about it. I could spend all day listing the Lore-khans, but I don't have the time or the energy, so if I left someone out, I'm sorry, guys.
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Post » Fri May 27, 2011 7:21 am

Again it might be a dumb question but The Song of Pelinal was a bit confusing to me.


Pelinal was and is an insane collective swarmfoam war-fractal from the future, you betcha.
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Post » Fri May 27, 2011 3:07 am

Pelinal was and is an insane collective swarmfoam war-fractal from the future, you betcha.

So he's sort of like the Cybernetic Ghost of Christmas Past from the Future.
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Post » Fri May 27, 2011 12:36 pm

So he's sort of like the Cybernetic Ghost of Christmas Past from the Future.


No, that character is more like some certain poster who whenever he speaks, somehow blows out dry ice fog, but somehow rantings amuse everyone.

War-fractal? Damn.
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Post » Fri May 27, 2011 2:06 pm

He's still not as confusing as a faremyle.
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Post » Fri May 27, 2011 7:07 am

Pelinal was and is an insane collective swarmfoam war-fractal from the future, you betcha.


There's something I've kinda' wondered about since you first told us that, M. From whence in the future did he come? Has his time come, or is it yet to pass?
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Post » Fri May 27, 2011 10:09 am

There's something I've kinda' wondered about since you first told us that, M. From whence in the future did he come? Has his time come, or is it yet to pass?

Dude's the counterpart to the time god. "In the future" in generic terms. Like a long time ago in a galaxy far far away in the future.

Besides, he's a war diamond-shaped fractal with a hand that was killing light. That implies a robot with death-laser hand. That doesn't sound like current Tamriel tech to me.
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Post » Fri May 27, 2011 10:00 am

So MK's serious about Pelinal being from the future?!
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Post » Fri May 27, 2011 10:38 am

So MK's serious about Pelinal being from the future?!

It's been implied elsewhere as well. I'm not sure if that was the general consensus beforehand, but it definately is confirmed now. It makes sense. He makes references to Reman (who won't be born for a long time), has armour and ideas from outside the time period, and some knowledge of the future. My Pelinal lore knowledge isn't as high as it could be, though, spending more time recently studying up on Talos/Arctus/Ysmir. Time for a trip to TIL to refresh my Pelinal/Alessia/Morihaus knowledge.
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Post » Fri May 27, 2011 4:23 am

So MK's serious about Pelinal being from the future?!

Well, whether he's serious or not is a serious question. He's often not. But if you're asking whether he's being truthful or not, I'd say, yes, he is. It's as true as longcat being long. It's plainly implied in the Songs.

I've posited before that when you start mixing a god of space with a god of time, just what their artifacts should look like would be appropriately ...anachronistic, and would completely ignore preconceived ideas of historical accuracy. A tower that's a spaceship? Why not. A story where the narrator can't seem to decide whether Pelinal a robot (as above) or a man (the Songs also say even in his youth he had white hair)? Apropos! &c &c

I thought there was something more to add but I'm too tired to remember. I go back now to play Warriors Orochi, the best game in the universe.
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Post » Fri May 27, 2011 1:31 pm

Of course, Nalion, Mortazo, and TWM are also wonderfully insightful sources of lore-knowledge. However, Nalion and TWM don't post as much anymore.

*BOO!* :hugs:

Muthsera Dude,

The work of JHUNAL takes my humble feet far and wide, oft'times rendering my correspondences sparce due to extraneous duties of a somewhat...tedious nature that I will not recite here for fear of straying into the realm of being overly verbose (a claim against me that few could make, I am sure. :whistle: ) other than to say that the Chapel of Julianos has seen me ere to what was known pre-Warp times as the Iliac Bay provinces of Abibon-Gora and Lainlyn to (1) aid their assimilation into the newer Iliac heirarchy and (2) discover whether any of the alleged communique between the new owner of Battlehorn Castle and the Sheogorath-worshipping harpies near and around the former Knights of the Horn lands can reveal anything further concerning the whereabouts and condition of our Divinely Crusading Champion of Cyrodiil. I offer a million thanks (and yes, Vehk-and-Vehk, meaning them all) to the Knights of the Wheel for unerringly protecting this humble scholar whilst I write to my fellows.

All (or most) Praises be duly praised, my friend, as for my temporary declination in effectuation, I would repeat the words of Daedric Prince Azura to the Nerevarine in dream: "FEAR NOT, FOR I AM WATCHFUL."

Now, as to the question at hand, I would restate the following:

1. Pelinal is from a future time. (stated definitively by MK)

2. Pelinal is mad like Akatosh (may JHUNAL forgive me of such statements in the name of knowledge) and heartless like Lorkhan. (http://www.imperial-library.info/obbooks/songofpelinal.shtml#6)

3. Akatosh is the Time God and Lorkhan is the Space God. (http://www.imperial-library.info/obscure_text/sporedream.shtml)

4. Combined, they are an entity that exists to destroy, especially the world as we know it. (Observe "Alduin", who is the wellspring of the pantheonic chiefs in http://www.imperial-library.info/mwbooks/varietiesoffaith.shtml)

5. Now observe Pelinal's ability to "eat the world" in a similar fashion. "[And it was during] these fits of anger and nonsense that Pelinal would fall into the Madness, where whole swaths of lands were devoured in divine rampage to become Void, and Alessia would have to pray to the Gods for their succor, and they would reach down as one mind and soothe the Whitestrake until he no longer had the will to kill the earth in whole. (http://www.imperial-library.info/obscure_text/sporedream.shtml)

6. Pelinal is most definately an aspect of WAR, but one without a mind (read: voracious killing).

7. Talos is also a god of WAR, but also of reasonable governance. (http://www.imperial-library.info/nine_divines/)

8. Talos gave His blessing to one who would mantle (i.e., become) a new Pelinal Whitestrake. (http://www.imperial-library.info/tsoo/kotn10.shtml)

9. The new Pelinal Whitestrake (our beloved Champion of Cyrodiil) also went insane. (See http://www.imperial-library.info/tsoo/si14.shtml and (noncanon) http://www.gamesas.com/bgsforums/index.php?showtopic=745922&hl=)

10. A combined Akatosh and Lorkhan returns time to a non-linear state. (See http://www.imperial-library.info/obscure_text/complete_dragonbroke.shtml)

11. The Elves wish a return to a state of being where time is non-linear and plan on doing so by removing Talos (and the Imperial race as a whole) from existence. (See http://www.gamesas.com/bgsforums/index.php?act=findpost&hl=&pid=11571869)

12. If Mankar Camoran is to believed, the Aedra are not true gods because they can be killed. (The Words of Mankar Camoran to the Champion of Cyrodiil)

13. Akatosh's fate is currently unknown. (See Oblivion MQ ending)

14. Lorkhan's fate is currently unknown, other than his heart has been released. (See Morrowind MQ ending)


In summary, my friends, I would state this: Pelinel is from a future time (because time returns to nonlinearity), and if that future means that Pelinal represents a reunited Lorkhan/Akatosh, then beware the Free Serpent. Perhaps we should follow the stars as in the Yokudan beliefs? We must remember that Jubal-lun-Sul stated that many from the future believed that they came from a different star (http://www.imperial-library.info/obscure_text/5th_era_loveletter.shtml), and the 1008 years of Middle Dawn nonlinearity (http://www.imperial-library.info/obscure_text/complete_dragonbroke.shtml) seems shorted to the 108 years of Septim's life, and the Prophet of the Landfall is an insect.

"The insect certain is the plague of fables. ... The insect fable is the certain promise." (MK quote)

I take my leave of you now, my friends. May the grace of JHUNAL's countenance illuminate your minds and tomes, filling your fingers with the purpose, which is the speedy direction of truth finding without unreasonable delay, and always remember that Julianos Himself commands to "Know the truth. Observe the law. When in doubt, seek wisdom from the wise. Seek forgiveness for your sins, O ye faithful! Offend not against the laws of Man or God. For none but must tremble, when ye contemplate that Julianos is Just!"

Until we speak again, I remain...


Yours in the Scrolls,


___The Word Merchant of Julianos


EDIT: "You're no fool. The days of the Empire are almost over. When the Emperor dies, nine hells're going to break loose." _____The words of Caius Cosades to the Nerevarine
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Post » Fri May 27, 2011 8:18 am

9. The new Pelinal Whitestrake (our beloved Champion of Cyrodiil) also went insane.


Thus not only echoing Pelinal but further proving the CoC's relationship to Lorkhan by echoing the sithis-shaped hole. I don't believe, however, that Sheogorath is the Sithis shaped hole so much as Jyg is. You know, a heartless version of Lorkhan, lacking in imagination.

10. A combined Akatosh and Lorkhan returns time to a non-linear state.


Soooo.... Pelinal is from the future in the sense that he exists outside of time? That makes sense.

14. Lorkhan's fate is currently unknown, other than his heart has been released.


As I've said before, and hinted at above, I have speculations about Lorkhan's fate. Hopefully the questions will be answered in TES V.

In summary, my friends, I would state this: Pelinel is from a future time (because time returns to nonlinearity), and if that future means that Pelinal represents a reunited Lorkhan/Akatosh, then beware the Free Serpent.


Right on, brother!!!
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Post » Fri May 27, 2011 4:16 pm

It's good to see you back, Word Merchant.

What I want to know is from when Pelinal went back in time. If he was a robot, I imagine he'd have been a cross between HK-47 (Star Wars KotOR) and the Cybernetic Ghost of Christmas Past from the Future; an insane, bloodthirsty, incomprehensible bot from the future.
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Post » Fri May 27, 2011 12:10 pm

It's good to see you back, Word Merchant.

What I want to know is from when Pelinal went back in time. If he was a robot, I imagine he'd have been a cross between HK-47 (Star Wars KotOR) and the Cybernetic Ghost of Christmas Past from the Future; an insane, bloodthirsty, incomprehensible bot from the future.


You know what would be cool. The CoC is Pelinal Whitestrake. He mantles him and it turns out that he is him. It's not possible, but he would be cool.
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Post » Fri May 27, 2011 3:19 am

* An elven family gathers around their table for dinner and tales of the day's events when an unexpected knock turns their attention to their door. Upon answering the door, the father of the family is greeted by a white-haired man with an Austrian accent.

"May I help you?" asks the elf.

The strange man stares at him blankly and begins to speak. "Sarah Conner?" *
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Post » Fri May 27, 2011 4:20 pm

You know what would be cool. The CoC is Pelinal Whitestrake. He mantles him and it turns out that he is him. It's not possible, but he would be cool.

I also thought that would be cool; it would also account for the madness. But there's one little thing; the CoC had Talos's Blessing; it allowed him to kill Umaril, which Pelinal could not do. And it would bring up the whole predestination paradox, but I'm not getting into that.

* An elven family gathers around their table for dinner and tales of the day's events when an unexpected knock turns their attention to their door. Upon answering the door, the father of the family is greeted by a white-haired man with an Austrian accent.

"May I help you?" asks the elf.

The strange man stares at him blankly and begins to speak. "Sarah Conner?" *

:rofl:
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Post » Fri May 27, 2011 4:54 pm

I also thought that would be cool; it would also account for the madness. But there's one little thing; the CoC had Talos's Blessing; it allowed him to kill Umaril, which Pelinal could not do. And it would bring up the whole predestination paradox, but I'm not getting into that.
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Exactly. The CoC walked the path of the Crusader until even Pelinal was unable to walk a similar path. Why do you think Pelinal was crazy? Arriving from a future that was failure only to perpetuate it. I'd go crazy at something like that; unless of course, I was the antithesis to that failure. The CoC undid the failure of Pelinal in the exact way that Pelinal failed. The only difference was the TIME at which the actions took place. If Pelinal's purpose was to destroy the Ayleids completely, only failing in the end, I suggest that the CoC finished the job that Pelinal not only didn't complete, but was unable in ANY WAY to complete. The man is defined by his actions, so why wouldn't the man be defined by his legacy? His legacy was actions that fulfilled his purpose. He walked until he was to walk as another. The CoC is Pelinal.
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Post » Fri May 27, 2011 1:49 am

So, he intended to not kill Umaril in the past?

I still say its a pretty wild theory.
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Post » Fri May 27, 2011 11:18 am

I could spend all day listing the Lore-khans, but I don't have the time or the energy, so if I left someone out, I'm sorry, guys.


You left out MK. Shame on you. :nono:

I don't believe, however, that Sheogorath is the Sithis shaped hole so much as Jyg is. You know, a heartless version of Lorkhan, lacking in imagination.


Muthsera, we must remember what being "heartless" is.....it is being mortal. When one is in love, it is represented by a heart. God (or "godhood") IS Love itself. (See http://www.imperial-library.info/obscure_text/5th_era_loveletter.shtml) Lorkhan lost his "godhood" when he lost his "Love", that is to say, what represented his Love, his Heart, and gave it to NIRN much like VanGogh did with his ear. :nuts:

What I am saying is that it is my belief that no "god-like" being can be "heartless" in the TES mythos, which is why the ghost of Shor exists in half-death, continually reincarnating as a really pissed off and mean mortal. (1/2 of Pelinal, Underking, etc.)


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