In this case, probably, or else I wouldn't have brought it up. But then again, conflict is the spice of life, and I try to choose my battles.

I'm going to try to do this without breaking the rules, given the MK is a fellow member on the forums.

TES is the intellectual property of Bethesda Softworks LLC, a ZeniMax Media company. They got all the rights to it, and they decide what happens. If someone else outside of Bethesda or ZeniMax makes something up, they have no obligation to go along with it, no matter who that person is.

The thing is, even if Bethesda turns their nose up on Pelinal (which I doubt, seeing that he ended up in the game) time-shifts, time-travel, and the sort has already been established. There's plenty of lore outside of Pelinal that evinces this. Consider, as just one example, http://www.imperial-library.info/obbooks/dragon_break.shtml, an ingame text from both Morrowind and Oblivion that critically argues against the facticity of the dragon break supposably caused by the Marukhati Selective, and which happens to be from the future.

I always thought that Pelinal sounded like the Chuck Norris of Elder Scrolls lore...

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Think of his situation like Gandalf.
Gandalf is not a man, but a spirit in human form. Gandalf is an Istari-or wizard-and thus is not bound to the same principles man is bound to.

Like I said, a construct of souls. Some of the spirits residing in him happen to be quite powerful. Akatosh, in particular. that's how Pelinal's from the future. Time is not linear to Pelinal, as paw-prints said, since Aka is the spirit of time, this allows time, for pelinal, to be more fluid. To consider it further is to look a paradox straight in the face and lyingly say "I understand."

The nature of this is due to the fact that he's also the space god. Anytime the space god and the time god are brought together, we see a disruption in the linearity of time, a return to the dawn, if you will. Think of the walkbrass. Now, imagine this huge disruption, but contained within an individual. It's like how a nuclear meltdown causes high amounts of energy release, but a reaction within a reactor causes the space of this energy realease to be limited, and therefore harnessable. Pelinal is the reactor.

Anyway, it is due to his nature as a conglomerate of ada and ancestors that makes him so powerful. Kind of like a soul that has reached critical mass. That's just how I see it.

I am using the tan skin on this forum, which is not actually a physical site of discussion but a virtual network connecting electronic devices from around the world.

Huh?

Your hypo-who-duh-what-amus?

Yea, I definitly think the tan skin is the best as well. :dance:
But the meaning of your seemingly sarcastic words eludes me.

Merely continuing a trend of irrelevantly pointing out the tearfully obvious to no purpose except a vague attempt at being irritating.

AH.

Kthxbai.

You know, I've never tried the tan skin... Maybe I'll switch. LOL.

I like it, it matches Oblivion's color scheme for menus and such. And only occasionally attacked by hackers inserting Trojans.

hey, Crimson, have you noticed how you bring up this same topic in nearly every thread? I like the Big Font myself :foodndrink:

It makes more sense than listening to every word that a third party says about something that isn't theirs, even if they originally envisioned it.

Translated into the colloquial: "Your mom!"

"Isent theirs?" MK MADE pelinal. before him he was nothing, and after him he is nothing. pelinal is MK's intellectual property, even though Bethesda uses him in their title it is still a part of MK's mind and it is his (or maybe him?). this nebulous entity "bethesda" did not birth pelinal, they merely showed us what MK has shown them. A parent gives a child life and eventually releases him onto society, but that child is always of the parent.

At any rate, this has jack-[censored] to do with the topic. my whole point was that you randomly start discussions about how MK aint to be believed and about how Bethesda is God. Everyone was just having a nice discussion about who Pelinal was and then BAM~!

Haven't you heard? Writing isn't art. Poetry isn't art. Games sure as hell aren't art. They're all defined by corporate copyright law.

Regardless of who's intellectual property Pelinal is, the fact of the matter is this: Pelinal, as he appears in the Knights of the Nine expansion, as well as he has been described by MK, is a time-traveling holy warrior. For the life of me I can't see what this debate is about. Read http://www.imperial-library.info/tsoo/kotn01a.shtml, and http://www.imperial-library.info/obbooks/songofpelinal.shtml. The description of Pelinal in-game is the description of Pelinal given us by MK.

Unfortunately, anything said outside of working with Bethesda is essentially fanon.

The Prophet's Speech and the Song of Pelinal were included in the Knights of the Nine expansion. That means official, grade-A Bethesda. There's no "fanon" here.


Here, from The Song of Pelinal, an ingame text, from volume II: "... [And then] Kyne granted Perrif another symbol, a diamond soaked red with the blood of elves, [whose] facets could [un-sector and form] into a man whose every angle could cut her jailers and a name: PELIN-EL [which is] "The Star-Made Knight" [and he] was arrayed in armor [from the future time]."

The description of Pelinal given to us in an in-game text (read, not fanfiction), is as a knight from the future.

Very true (although the quests and faction seemed to blissfully ignore the details), we're not really talking about Pelinal, we're just on the culture wars again.

So the future thing was already said in the in-game lore? I can't believe I never noticed that part.

Here's another one from The Song of Pelinal, this time from Volume III (emphasis mine): Pelinal called out Haromir of Copper and Tea into a duel at the Tor, and ate his neck-veins while screaming praise to Reman, a name that no one knew yet. Gordhaur the Shaper's head was smashed upon the goat-faced altar of Ninendava, and in his wisdom Pelinal said a small plague spell to keep that evil from reforming by welkynd-magic. Later that season, Pelinal slew Hadhuul on the granite steps of Ceya-Tar, the Fire King's spears knowing their first refute. For a time, no weapon of the Ayleids could pierce his armor, which Pelinal admitted was unlike any crafted by men, but would say no more even when pressed.

Its there, you just need to look for it. Umaril is a time traveling warrior too, of course.

1984, 1991 and 2003 called, they wants their Science Fiction back.

I'm only a lore novice and don't claim to be a master or even a moderate despite being around these forums for several years....

But wouldn't Pelinal's whole being a red geometric shape which is also printed over the briastplate of a (possibly empty) suit of armor be a reflection/parody/aspect of the Brass-Walker?

edit: In other words, was he just another Giant Stompy Robot Thing, except less giant?

I've thought of it more like him coming from a gem like Chim-el Adabal, then taking it out of the hole in his chest and giving it to Alessia. Hence the line about Akatosh binding together the bloody sinews of his heart.