Whoa...

So he came out of the gem, then took the gem out of his own chest?

That's kind of paradoxical...kinda like the one image of the Hoff that goes around the internet..the zoomcrotch one. You know the one.

I believe it of course, just saying it's kind of a mind-freak.

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That's just the image I get. It's all very vague.

The Song just says that he came from a gem that Kyne gave to Alessia. It's not necessarily the Amulet of Kings, and the whole thing might be allegorical. (Call that part allegorical and kick you in the teeth because it's too cool)

And as for the scene of Alessia's deathbed, that is almost as nebulous as the real story at Red Mountain.

Maybe he ended up surviving as a disembodied head, like in Futurama.

Seriously, though, in Hallgerd's Tale, one of them mentions that Pelinal Whitestrake supposedly conquered all of Tamriel by himself.

That book was a Tamriellic "Whos best warior?!?" thread.

It was also the first time I know of that Pelinal Whitestrake was mentioned.

Was it a Morrowind book? Before the Ages of Man probably predates it.

Oblivion book.

Seriously though, this makes things even more interesting.

Hallgerd's Tale is a Morrowind Book. It comes as part of a series with http://www.imperial-library.info/mwbooks/bone.shtml and http://www.imperial-library.info/mwbooks/vernaccus_bourlor.shtml. In each of them three people discuss a some qeustion over a pot of beer. They're not the brightest bunch.


- http://www.imperial-library.info/history/merethic.shtml

This however came with the timeline. Punch the names into the search and you'll pull up some more.

Before the Ages of Man was an Oblivion book. The timeline on which "Before the Ages" is based, given to the Imperial Library before Morrowind, predates it and was the first ever mention of Pelinal. Hallgerd's Tale was in Morrowind, but wasn't the only Morrowind book to mention him. There was also Varieties of Faith.

As far as Pelinal's identity goes, the futuristic imagery is sufficiently blunt compared with some of the more obscure texts, but still, it's there to be discovered. I like to think that in having a time dragon as a counterpart, a bit of anachronism is wholly expected. Pelinal is a robot in the same way Adamantia is a space ship. It is and it isn't.

If you want anologies then try "The Eternal Warrior" - Corum etc, Michael Moorcock -he did it with style before MK was born (is that taking unfair advantage of MK's youth? )

This is interesting and it was of a future time is all we know?

So what / who crafted his armour?

... and of what substance / origin was he? There is the feeling that he was a 'composite being' - did he encompass those spirits within him or did he have 'parts' of them within his being? And how did they get there?

Were these spirits / parts of spirits forced into his being or were they given / joined willingly?


As for Palladin - he's taken so much **** from you guys I would expect him to need to get more out of his system for some time to come - eh? Because whether or not he's as 'clever' as you he's been as much a part of these forums as you for a very long time and has provided a perfect foil for you to show off your 'self-satisfying superiority' against at his expense for about as long = you owe him the courtesy - by your own definition of worthy - he's a fighter. About time you paid up and recognised that. Just don't give him an arm - he'll probably be inspired to bite it off!

It seems to imply that because he knew the name of Reman, yet was before Tiber Septim, he was probably from somewhere between the start of the Reman Dynasty to the start of the Septim Dynasty.


The Prophet seems to say that the Eight crafted the armor and empowered it to withstand Umaril's power. I think that each of the Eight may have empowered a different piece; Akatosh empowered the cuirass, Zenithar empowered the mace, Arkay empowered the sword, Julianos empowered the shield, Dibella empowered the helmet, Mara empowered the greaves, Kynareth empowered the boots, and Stendarr empowered the Gauntlets. Of course, as far as I know that's only speculation.


Wow, that's touching, thanks for the support 1999.

I don't think that's the right way to go about it. An avatar 'born' in 2E 142 going back a few hundred years? He's not the terminator.

But he did not know of Tiber Septim nor did he have the Blessing of Talos required to destroy Umaril, so it must have been from before Tiber Septim.

I don't see how that is a reply to a comment that questions the whole idea of time travel.

Anyway it's not Tiber Septim that matters. It's about Pelinal not being successful at the time when there were only Eight as Shezarr had gone missing. The whole clue there is that now Shezarr has returned as Talos and there are Nine Divines again, Pelinal can beat the living daylights out of Umaril in the afterlife.

Enfin, Reman means "Light of Man.".

Also he's from the future, and yet he isn't. It's called imagery. Just as the whole Aurbis isn't a snake that eats itself over and over again. While at the same time it is. Tamriel runs on that sort of stuff.

Either way it is irrelevant because Pelinal was a Spirit. He also was a transformer.

But what ever happened to independent research? Go and read up about religions. Half the stuff here is derived from existing works. Gnostisism is an all time favorite, considering it covers an large range of variations. But other stuff from the east features as well. The Epic of Gilgamesh for example somewhat resembles the story of Pelinal and Morihaus.

His armor was strongly implied to be from the future as well, and given that it was blessed by only the Eight, it must have been a time period before the Eight and One. Or the Nine.

As for the whole Shezarr/Pelinal/Talos thing, it's not like the Nerevarine wasn't able to talk with and get some gear and advice from his previous incarnations.

All kinda irrelevant because Pelinal was Ada.

It's the imagery of futuristic armor that matters, not whether it is or not.

For all that matters it might have been Lokrhans own, worn at the tournament fields in the shadow of the Adamantine Tower.

How relevant it is depends on how you look at it. And apparently we look at it differently.

You're the one who tries to find the birth day of a spirit. Might as well ask if Mary really was a virgin.

No, I'm trying to narrow down the time of origin of the vessel that held the spirit.

As for that second part, I'm going to pretend I never read that.

It's a good example. Show that it is the imagery that matters. Not the material state.

What reason do we have for relegating Pelinal's time travel to "imagery" in a world where time travel has been confirmed to exist?

Because it ain't time travel.



1. In short, gods can control the events in time.

2. Gods controlled time during the Warp in the West (Brass God x7), during the Eruption of Red Mountain (Tribunals Apotheosis), during the Dragon Broke (Selective) and in the Dawn Era (The Aedra).

3. Afterwards when they relinquish control, the Jills combine these timelines. Not in the sense of a gentle merger but dumping everything from both timelines into one. The results are described in Warp in the West as soldiers mysteriously appearing in castles that they seemed to have conquered in the alternate timeline and sand storms comming out of nowhere.

The Dawn Era has the different time lines reflected in it's different origin myths and cultures and massive destruction of Tamriel - there was not a single decided shape for it.

The actual Dragon Broke lasted so long that this part of history became an incoherent mess.

4. As each god only controls the events in time and not time itself, each Dragon Break has a fairly clear start and end.

As they can't control the events outside of the period in which they control time. They can only compress 5000 years into 10 minutes and leave a book from the 4th Era behind, it isn't from the actual 4th Era but from the 4th Era that one particular god created in his time line.

This is a good thing because actual time travel creates horrible paradoxes.

He was from the future, therefore the only way this could happen is time travel. It may have been brought along by the gods, but if he ended up in the past, for whatever the reason, he has traveled through time relative to everybody else.

Also, Pelinal didn't become legendary because of his imagery, he became a legend on the battlefield.


Instead, we get continuity messes.

Someone says 'Time Travel' and you think of http://www.hhcc.com/wp-content/uploads/2006/04/Back_to_the_Future.jpg, http://www.masterpiecemodels.com/for_sale/time-machine4web.jpg and nothing else? This is MK we're talking about, for Petessakes!

No, I just have a broader definition of time travel, given that time is relative.