No, you have an overly narrow definition of time travel, since I have only seen you talking about the Hollywood kind.

I'm not talking about the Hollywood kind. But going back in time, however the cause, is time travel because you've taken a large relative leap backwards in time. I don't care if the gods manipulated time to move him, it's still time travel, because time is all relative.

I don't recall denying it. I only recall rolling my eyes at you looking for a birth date. Why would there be an origin?

I'm not looking for a birth date, I'm just trying to narrow the possible time period. You guys speculate on stuff all the time and suddenly other people aren't allowed to do it?

As for origins, if Pelinal was from the future, he had to have been from some time.

Because when you think out loud, you're not supposed to go and argue in its favor.


Why does he need to have been from some time? Because when you say that I envision a ray of light coming down from the sky, and Pelinal standing there. Then a voice in the clouds says "SHIIIIIIT! Wrong century!" and moves him to the Merethic with another ray of light.

Why would it be in a moment of linear time? Why in this world? Why in this timeline and dimension? Akatosh doesn't regulate himself and doesn't need to exist in time in a conventional way. Why isn't Pelinal the scatterplot graphs of the impossipoints of a hundred different possible universes and their timelines, coming together in a whirl of dodecahedrons to form a gem in the palm of Kyne's hand?

Which sounds more like MK?

You may not have listened the first time, but time is still relative. Hence it's time travel.
Everything has to start somewhere.

But if you're gonna speculate on things, at least have some respect for other people's ideas, because it's all fiction.

I
Never
Said
That
It
Was
Not
Time
Travel

Are you constantly changing your relative position in time so that you have never read my posts or heard me say this?


I'm challenging the interpretation you have latched onto and am suggesting others, which is what you pretend to do all the time, according to the Khajiit thread. I'm not going to compare myself to Galileo, however.

Sorry, addressed the wrong issue. Correcting my other post...

Regarding origins, everything has to start somewhere, even Anu and Padomay.

Edit: Either way, it's not like I've been going out of my way to disprove every last thing that another poster says. :rolleyes:

PS. Sorry it took so long to edit, I had to move to a computer with a more stable internet connection.

This is too easy but, where does a circle begin?

That beginning was not a place, a point in time, or even an event with a duration. It was PSJJ, which is none of the former but an ideal and an abstract concept. And that is exactly the origin for Pelinal I was suggesting.

Then once again, we are at an impasse, because neither of us can be disproven.

'Disproven' suggests that you have something to to verify.

It has been said several places that

Pelinal.
Was.
From.
The.
Future.

(http://www.imperial-library.info/mwbooks/aedra_daedra.shtml + http://www.imperial-library.info/obscure_text/5th_era_loveletter.shtml) / http://www.imperial-library.info/mwbooks/monomyth.shtml.

Or, http://www.gamesas.com/bgsforums/index.php?showtopic=875348&hl=."

Yup, it's official, you are stuck in cyclical time. You're back to fifteen minutes ago where you didn't know that I agreed with that yet.

I'm not talking about time travel, so I'll try to explain better.

Pelinal
Was
From
The
Future

And there you have it, he's from the future, so that is where he originated from. According to my theory.

Your theory? MK said just that, in about as many words. Do you really think I disagree?

The part that is yours is when you take future to mean some time in the second era. That doesn't make sense to me and there is no evidence to suggest it. The end.

There's no evidence for your theory either. Hence it appears we are not only both at an impasse, but apparently stuck in cyclical time.

Sorry, what theory is that?

OK, so technically it was a suggestion.

No it wasn't. It's not a theory or a suggestion. I was asking you to consider other possibilities, of an abstract nature similar to that of PSJJ.

I don't know what to think about Pelinal in this case. I just know that what you were saying sounded wrong.

Well, the Loveletter was from the future too, and it's usually used as proof that landfall will happen in the 4th Era.

Good point. But Landfall is an event, it just happens. Pelinal is a god. Two of them. Gods don't happen.

So gods that happen aren't gods?

They always were.

They wouldn't be gods if they did.