Pentannual Census of the Houses of Morrowind, Post Red-Year : The Elder Scrolls Series Discussion

» Tue May 08, 2012 2:18 pm

Anybody know if this is cannon, cause I'm really surprised by the implications that House Telvanni is gone... Doesn't add up to what I've seen in Skyrim. Great read regardless.

» Tue May 08, 2012 3:12 pm

Anybody know if this is cannon, cause I'm really surprised by the implications that House Telvanni is gone... Doesn't add up to what I've seen in Skyrim. Great read regardless.

Sorry, but the nitpicker in me needs to point out that a cannon is for shooting things from, while canon in fiction means official.

In my opinion it is either written by someone extremely well versed in the minutea of TES lore, or a developer, or any combination thereof.
However, the question is irrelevant because its not interesting. As another poster pointed out on a different thread: "I'd like to add that not all official lore texts are by all means true, and not all semi-official texts are by all means not true. So their canonicity simply doesn't matter."
Is it lore?
Yes.

» Tue May 08, 2012 8:09 pm

I still like cannons more then canon, but you are right of course.

Still a census on great houses in Morrowind has rather large implications. If written by a dev it can be wrong, but it's unlikely that any official census would make mistakes on the existence of one of the larger houses of Morrowind. Of course somebody that's not a Dev can still post something like this and be right about everything but then I would ask for the evidence to support the claims.

» Tue May 08, 2012 3:21 pm

Anybody know if this is cannon, cause I'm really surprised by the implications that House Telvanni is gone... Doesn't add up to what I've seen in Skyrim. Great read regardless.

You really expect the Telvanni to show up in a census? I doubt the survivors would even deign to notify the rest of Morrowind that they were still around, much less respond to official inquiries. (also: underground sigil-driven nematode-ish vector-vehicles)

» Tue May 08, 2012 11:32 am

Anybody know if this is cannon, cause I'm really surprised by the implications that House Telvanni is gone... Doesn't add up to what I've seen in Skyrim. Great read regardless.

It only said that they were deleted from memory. Presumably they might exist in some form, albeit with no records.

Also House Ouada are Sea-Telvanni.

» Tue May 08, 2012 3:24 pm

You really expect the Telvanni to show up in a census? I doubt the survivors would even deign to notify the rest of Morrowind that they were still around, much less respond to official inquiries. (also: underground sigil-driven nematode-ish vector-vehicles)

Yes actually, the Telvanni were never much for interaction with the rest. But I doubt they would actually ignore having a place in a form of government. Even House Telvanni could get benefits from that.

» Tue May 08, 2012 11:41 am

Also, House Ouada -changed-their-eyes-!! ... I wonder how and what to. ~.~ Also, apparently other Telvanni magisters replicated Divayth Fyr's experiments? (bottle-grown-sons?)

» Tue May 08, 2012 9:25 am

However, the question is irrelevant because its not interesting. As another poster pointed out on a different thread: "I'd like to add that not all official lore texts are by all means true, and not all semi-official texts are by all means not true. So their canonicity simply doesn't matter."

It was me. But I said it about semi-official texts by Michael Kirkbride and other devs. There is the difference.
Still, I hope that devs would read this census and recognize it as official. This monkeytruth is great and absolutely must be put in game.

» Tue May 08, 2012 5:42 pm

Also note that this is 34 years before Skyrim. The Telvanni might have come back, a Redoran bloodline might have been uncovered, Indoril might have finally breathed its last, etc.

» Tue May 08, 2012 10:28 am

If I read that right sounds like Jobasha made it out of Vivec with the guy from House Velms. Can't imagine another khajiit crazy enough living in Vivec and selling books.

» Wed May 09, 2012 12:40 am

Ow..you lore people hurt my head :tongue:

. Still...truth, half-truth, or lie - there are some ideas in here that I might have to extract for a mod-thing I'm working on. Gold is golden, and I'd be foolish to pass it up.

..and their New Ordinators march forth clad in the three-eyed Face of Sul in defiance of Vehk’s treachery

Wait, does that sound Dagothy, or am I reading it wrong?

» Tue May 08, 2012 6:44 pm

Intraglyph: Riven by schisms as diverse and convoluted as the wranglings of the Marukhati, the Temple is an eviscerated shell of its former power. Nevertheless, like a coppiced tree, whilst the main trunk lies rotting on the ground, the once-buds of the stump grow stronger and more independent-minded by the day. Notwithstanding our obligations to the Thalmor, these advances must be countered without delay, lest our ancient enemy resurrect itself from the twilight of the chimerical Land-Gods – S.Q.R.

In betrayal of my lore obsessions, I have to say, this is the part I find most interesting. Are the Thalmor protecting the remnants of the Tribunal Temple? If so, why? This adds a whole new dimension to the mythical wars of the fourth era.

» Tue May 08, 2012 8:10 pm

In betrayal of my lore obsessions, I have to say, this is the part I find most interesting. Are the Thalmor protecting the remnants of the Tribunal Temple? If so, why? This adds a whole new dimension to the mythical wars of the fourth era.

That does raise questions, doesn't it? I completely missed the 'notwithstanding' the first time through; If the Thalmor want the Temple's remnants preserved, I think it would be more because they were-and-could-again-be a strong Merrish socio-political force, and they'd probably rather encourage the Morrowind Dunmeric tendency to be anti-imperial (as many were during the third era) than their anti-haughty-altmer attitude (which always struck me as being a token aspect of the velothi culture.) Correct me if I'm wrong, but aside from their opposition to the Empire across the eras, the Tribunes weren't terribly well-thought-of by the powers in Alinor, were they?

» Tue May 08, 2012 4:54 pm

That was an amazing read. I would love to know what http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Morrowind:Draren_Thiralas did to incur such spite from the other houses.

» Tue May 08, 2012 2:05 pm

That was an amazing read. I would love to know what http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Morrowind:Draren_Thiralas did to incur such spite from the other houses.

Clearly his humble visage in backwater Seyda Neen was just a front for a larger operation. He's the one that smuggled the Heart out of Vvardenfell and into Skyrim, and then back out again.

» Tue May 08, 2012 9:39 am

Ow..you lore people hurt my head :tongue:

. Still...truth, half-truth, or lie - there are some ideas in here that I might have to extract for a mod-thing I'm working on. Gold is golden, and I'd be foolish to pass it up.

Trust not the truth in front of your eyes. It can lie and it can twist before you. Trust instead in memory and conception.

In other words, I reject your reality of a fictional universe and substitute my own.

» Tue May 08, 2012 10:14 pm

This is why blowing up and siccing argonians on the franchise's most popular race isn't a bad thing.

Sea-Telvanni.

That's been done: Dolphin's Nightmare in "Ecco the Dolphin: Defender of the Future". And it ought to be done again. Complete with coral architecture, membraneous automatic doors and whale-powered suspended waterways. Or whatever you get instead of whales north of Sheogorad.

» Tue May 08, 2012 3:22 pm

This is why blowing up and siccing argonians on the franchise's most popular race isn't a bad thing.

That's been done: Dolphin's Nightmare in "Ecco the Dolphin: Defender of the Future". And it ought to be done again. Complete with coral architecture, membraneous automatic doors and whale-powered suspended waterways. Or whatever you get instead of whales north of Sheogorad.

Emperor Whales?

» Tue May 08, 2012 11:23 pm

Ehh, whales remind me too much of the Nords and Skyrim. Sea-Telvanni need octopuses.

» Tue May 08, 2012 8:35 pm

Right before I read this, I had been visiting Tel Ouada in Tamriel Rebuilt. I can certainly see how they could have become what they had become. Funny enough, i had just enchanted five or six telvanni cephalopod helms with permament water breathing enchantments for my contract mercenaries...

» Wed May 09, 2012 12:11 am

Ehh, whales remind me too much of the Nords and Skyrim. Sea-Telvanni need octopuses.

So long as they're big enough to fit like five manors and a bunch of shops and apartments in, I'm good.

» Tue May 08, 2012 9:55 pm

Also all this just leaves me hungry for more information about the Dunmer. How is the New Temple different from the old? What is the relationship between Her Hands and Her Fingers? What the hell is the deal with those Pearlescent Chronographers?

New Temple was mentioned in three books from Morrowind: "http://www.imperial-library.info/content/vivec-and-mephala", "http://www.imperial-library.info/content/lives-saints" and "http://www.imperial-library.info/content/where-were-you-when-dragon-broke"

Wait, does that sound Dagothy, or am I reading it wrong?

So the OP claims that Voryn Dagoth may have possessed Sul's mask or helm?

» Tue May 08, 2012 4:24 pm

Also note that this is 34 years before Skyrim. The Telvanni might have come back, a Redoran bloodline might have been uncovered, Indoril might have finally breathed its last, etc.

Skyrim might be wrong.

» Tue May 08, 2012 9:37 pm

FREAKIN

AWESOME.

Amazing read, really.

» Tue May 08, 2012 5:01 pm

Um I'm loving how I'm the only one pointing out the mage apprentice in the College of winterhold who says that she was the first of House Telvanni to leave morrowind in years, mostly the fact that she claims she is a member of House Telvanni and she is a new arrival to the college, thus we have confirmation the Telvanni are still around.
also
> bottle-born dunmers being made in House Quada
> Bottle-born

Fyr created his own house.