Pentannual Census of the Houses of Morrowind, Post Red-Year : The Elder Scrolls Series Discussion

» Tue May 08, 2012 10:21 pm

As we see from this text, Sharmat was probably oversoul.. A False-Talos for Dunmeri, "pawn of the Aggregate"?. But not Voryn Dagoth.. After disappearance of Lorkhan's Heart the souls sundered again, this allowed Vivec to summon his lover's soul.
Also, Alandro Sul could be the real son of Azura, because in "Magne-Ge Pantheon" a son of Dawn Goddess is mentioned. As a true deity. =)

I have no opinion on the matter of Dagoth Ur, but wouldnt those texts indicate Meridia and Umaril?

» Tue May 08, 2012 12:31 pm

I have no opinion on the matter of Dagoth Ur, but wouldnt those texts indicate Meridia and Umaril?

I thought Umaril's non-mortal-parent was his father, not mother?

» Tue May 08, 2012 1:36 pm

Moving away from House Sul and their potential links to House Dagoth for a moment...

How long till the bottle born water breathers of House Ouada can be considered a separate race? I wonder if they'd build a relationship with the Maormer, considering they marched all the way to Thras. We now have two groups of sea elves.

» Tue May 08, 2012 4:27 pm

We now have two groups of sea elves.

Three.

» Tue May 08, 2012 5:04 pm

I thought Umaril's non-mortal-parent was his father, not mother?

Good point.

» Tue May 08, 2012 11:34 pm

Three.

Right. Forgot the dreugh. But they're more beast-mer than true mer, like khajiit imo.

» Tue May 08, 2012 7:24 pm

What I am curious about is the role of the Tribunal in the new Dunmer culture. The diary of a Dunmer wizard says "Vivec must've been with me", proving at least he is still respected, but Almalexia and Sotha Sil? I dunno. If what Almalexia did in Tribunal gets out, she would probably be hated, and I can see most people flat-out forgetting who Sotha Sil was.

» Tue May 08, 2012 11:05 pm

What I am curious about is the role of the Tribunal in the new Dunmer culture. The diary of a Dunmer wizard says "Vivec must've been with me", proving at least he is still respected, but Almalexia and Sotha Sil? I dunno. If what Almalexia did in Tribunal gets out, she would probably be hated, and I can see most people flat-out forgetting who Sotha Sil was.

The point here is that only a handfull of people ever knew what happened between the Nerevarine and Almalexia in the Clockwork City; anyone else you tried to tell shrugged you off or threatened you. Of those who knew or had any idea, most probably didn't survive the Red Year (unless Helseth and or Barenziah are squatting somewhere.) You're right, though, about them being more easily forgotten, since they'd largely withdrawn by the time of their downfall.

At the same time, there's probably a sizeable population that's held to the Tribunal's message and memory as a point of stability during and after the Red Year.

» Tue May 08, 2012 6:30 pm

^ I don't know, there seems to be just as many Dunmer who feel betrayed by Vehk.

» Tue May 08, 2012 3:28 pm

Annexe B: Further to the Othrensis Incident

Intraglyph: Ah, and here at last we find something of genuine interest! – S.Q.R.

Significant resources, both mundane and mythic, have been devoted to the investigation of this mystery. We may confirm that the apparitions have been identified without doubt as the Pearlescent Chronographers – freed from Mystery’s service by his dying Silence-As-The-Abortive, those twelve hundred Saints who fell at Seht’s side in the Battle of Mournhold and whose souls were forged into the Armour of Oscillating Quartz to preserve their varliance ride once again on the surface of Tamriel. Mounted now on Cartilagenous Fabricants, othertimes on the bladed wings of Dwemeri autogyros, they appear instantaneously from one of the Infinite Doors of Ur-Sotha wherever the need is greatest, dispensing imperfect objects, riddles and mechanisms to the astonished populace.

And Sotha Sil may be gone, but certainly not forgotten. And it sounds like the clockwork city still has it's uses and inhabitants deep beneath the overgrown and overtaken south.

» Tue May 08, 2012 3:00 pm

And Sotha Sil may be gone, but certainly not forgotten. And it sounds like the clockwork city still has it's uses and inhabitants deep beneath the overgrown and overtaken south.

Sotha Sil was far too crafty to have an entire city that couldn't operate with him gone. I'm glad to see that the clockwork city still ticks.

Personally, I'd like to hear more about House Sul and their "Truths".

» Tue May 08, 2012 10:11 am

They're a resurgence of the 6th House cult, given legitimacy under a new name in the aftermath of the Red Year. As before, they advocate the glorification of the Dunmer race by casting off the Imperial yoke and the burden of ancient superstitions, with the added goals of retaking their ancestral lands from the lizardfolk, and seeking a new path to divinity now that the Heart has been unbound.

» Tue May 08, 2012 8:57 am

I say let the Telvanni go. Good houses die young, I say.

» Tue May 08, 2012 1:11 pm

I say let the Telvanni go. Good houses die young, I say.

However, they're NOT dead, just buried. Figuratively, and quite literally, as a post on the first page of this points out, Much the opposite of their antithesis, the Indoril - whom seem to be largely dead-yet-still-walking.

» Tue May 08, 2012 9:02 am

The notion that, all of the sudden, numerous mushroom towers will erupt from the ash across mainland Morrowind and Vvardefell amuses me greatly, mostly for everyone else's reaction.

» Tue May 08, 2012 1:39 pm

Is this lore lore or fan fic?

» Wed May 09, 2012 12:39 am

Is this lore lore or fan fic?

It could become official lore in future. But now it is fan fiction.

» Tue May 08, 2012 9:13 am

However, they're NOT dead, just buried. Figuratively, and quite literally, as a post on the first page of this points out,

And buried within Sigil stones verbalized into fungal-seeding nematodes, no less.

The notion that, all of the sudden, numerous mushroom towers will erupt from the ash across mainland Morrowind and Vvardefell amuses me greatly, mostly for everyone else's reaction.

Spontaneous sporangia: reason enough to flip your [censored]. I'd love to see that. And it's not so unlikely, really; a fungus always does exist primarily underground. The towers were just six organs.

That's the Telvanni for you, I guess: cover the land with fungal pencses (just for the kicks of knowing that no one realizes) and compound the masculine element of Tower symbolism at the same time.

Is this lore lore or fan fic?

EDIT: Lady N knows, but it's not important.

» Tue May 08, 2012 12:47 pm

Nobody knows (except Rothalnim, I guess), but it's not important.

I can say definitively that it's very good fanfic. But yes, not important.

» Tue May 08, 2012 6:07 pm

This was an amazing and in depth read. But I refuse to believe that House Telvanni is dead and gone. I assume some of the bigger Mage Lords like Divayth Fyr, Baladas Demnevanni and Master Aryon went underground for the moment. Alot of the said mage lords except Aryon, spent centuries accumulating their wealth and power. I doubt they didn't have an emergency plan in case something happen. I can see Mistress Therana and Dratha getting killed though.

» Tue May 08, 2012 1:18 pm

It could become official lore in future. But now it is fan fiction.

Why "could becom"? I don't thin it's from someone of Bethseda, it's simply to complex :ermm:

, in Bethsedas new Morrowind I think there will be only two Houses or someone like that. I mean look at what they have done to Cyrodill or Skyrim, instead of Interessting political realtions, there are always simply 9 or 10 holds where the importanst differents are the banners and the colors of the guards, and nobebody cares about important families (except the families in Skyrim, but curios that the jarls itself not have such clans), traditions, cultures or something like that.

» Tue May 08, 2012 11:07 am

Why "could becom"? I don't thin it's from someone of Bethseda, it's simply to complex :ermm:

, in Bethsedas new Morrowind I think there will be only two Houses or someone like that. I mean look at what they have done to Cyrodill or Skyrim, instead of Interessting political realtions, there are always simply 9 or 10 holds where the importanst differents are the banners and the colors of the guards, and nobebody cares about important families (except the families in Skyrim, but curios that the jarls itself not have such clans), traditions, cultures or something like that.

Yip. It's not from Bethesda. But what if Bethesda would love it? Or MK would love it? Then its status would change from non-official lore to semi-official (MK's lore) or official (in-game lore). This is exactly the role of monkeytruths. It is so great that it could be in game.

» Tue May 08, 2012 5:40 pm

It's the difference between "Word of God" and "Word of Dante"

» Tue May 08, 2012 10:41 am

Woot. Get Temple Z on the horn, I think we gots us a winnah.

Also, I can confirm that this wasn't me. I'm too self-absorbed to use alternate accounts.

» Tue May 08, 2012 12:32 pm

Aw, nuts.