(While the Originals were wonderful, and exciting, i have to agree with the moderator post, and from my own experiences, you cannot dwell in the past, it is unhealthy. Fallout 3 taught me i had to change, that turn based RPG's have their place in the right kind of game, it does not fit in Fallout anymore. I'm not a young person anymore, and my reflexes are not that fast, but i can keep up on very hard on Vegas, and really have a good challenge in Fallout 3 on Very Hard. I appreciate the real time experience more now than the turn based because of it, it keeps me on my toes, it relieves stress, it gives me experiences i did not have with Fallout or Fallout 2. So instead of rambling on about it, i will say Turn base may work with simple RPG's now, but Fallout has grown, we have grown with it, and it's time we grow up with it, and accept Real time combat, with VATS of course.)

Dungeon Master.

Paladin John, what is so bad about TB combat? Does being old make it inferior, i dont understand.

turn based is fine, its not as fun on a console. FPS appeal to the larger audience, and lets face it, fallout 3 wouldn't have sold as well as it did if it were tb. I think thats what most of this boils down to, what sells better, after all video game makers are in it for the money

No, No, No, No

I will never ever forever want it back, it takes way to long, and is just boring, i like turn based in like Empire total war, because its fun in that, but in Fallout...No

I'd like to give my opinion here mate. What I don't like about them is the whole "I go, you go, I go, you go." turnbased system. It's just a style I don't enjoy playing. It certainly has it's place, I can play the fallout PnP game that uses that.

The TB games were great and still are great for the story and lore. But I enjoy the FPS type style the newer games have. Nowt to do with age, just a matter of taste.

Oh, I probably should have mentioned in the OP that I'm not usually a fan of FPS either. I've never played CoD. The last FPS I enjoyed was Killzone on PS2, because of it's story and replay value.

( Not that I think it is bad, Don't get me wrong, i liked it in FO and FO2, but i just grew out of it as i grew with the series. I'm old, and I'm not inferior, i just think it does not fit in the current Bethesda engine, or the new one, except to pause to plan your strategy, or to use VATS. I agree having turn based combat is helpful for tactics based combat, but with one or two companions like in FO3 and in FO:NV, there is no need for it. Now i would be willing to compromise with it being optional, maybe if it is done well, and it is not done ultra cheesy, but lately i have seen some AWFUL turn based RPG's, which ones i cannot think of as i am tired right now, but i have gotten use to real time combat by now. If we turned back the clock per say, what will we have learned, then the ones who like real time will be the old timers and they will want it back, no, it has to be compromise or we keep it as it, we can't go back now Mako, like the human race, Fallout has evolved past the it's infancy of FO and FO2, and we need to now let it grow further, but i'm willing to slow the growth in places if needed.)

(Well Spoken Sir)

why does Fallout have to use Oblivions engine, moving forward for the sake of moving forward is no excuse, it is an empty rise is just that, empty, the old games were and still are great, if it aint broke, dont try and fix it, because you have a [censored] repair skill and will probably break it.

Good heavens after reading Savage beatings and Nu clear days posts I am changing my rather wishy washy yes to a solid yes..


thats some powerful stuff... need go for i start crying hehe

I want it back as an optional game mode.
I realize that the series simply wont move back to it.
All I can hope for is an optional mode.

But even if it's optional the entire system needs to be redesigned to balance things out for TB mode.

I like turn-based and I hope for it again.

and nobody would dare to argue with Frank Horrigan, he kills BoS Paladins and Deathclaws with a single punch, his word is law.

Turned based combat? Sure in pnp d&d... kiss my a** otherwise

and Fallout.

i vote to keep fallout as it is at fallout 3 and new vegas, mayb becuz thats all ive played, but ive neva liked the whole turnbased the enemy takes a turn, u do, then they do, then u do then blah blah blah. but i dont really like fps eithier. i like fallout as it is a bit of both, u can use ap and the pipboy to pick what u r gunna do but u can also just go shoot or whack the round the head if u want. jus my opinion anyways.

I do have to agree with the statement that turn-based controls are better served with controlling more than one thing (JRPGs, TBS, etc); controlling one character/unit only in a turn-based combat system just feels...hands-off, for lack of a better word. It's not very engaging compared to, say, managing an empire in SMAC or controlling four characters at once in a JRPG.

There's also the problem of having to lay a hex map over the entire world, which would severely affect the player's ability to move over terrain in a believable manner given the amount of rubble and ruins strewn around in FO3 and FONV. How would jumping in combat even work? You'd have to add in a whole nother layer of abstraction thanks to movement concerns that games like FF and Dragon Age simply don't have.

TB works in Fallout 1&2 because they're entirely 2D and so lack a more dynamic sense of player interaction with the environment; reconciling the rich terrain of the 3D games with a very 2D combat system would be difficult.

I'd like to have TB combat back, but I also understand it's extremely unlikely for it to make a comeback. Maybe if Bethesda decides to make these turn-based "spin-offs", while at the same time keeping the main series real time.

I'm so sick of FPS's and Fake RPG's (like Fallout 3 or anything Bioware has put out recently), its all the damn same "go here shoot that CUTSCENE go there shoot that CUTSCENE move a few feCUTSCENE". but really I think Turn Based RPG's should make a return, hell even Brian Fargo (founder of Interplay) agree's, there are just things you can't do in Real Time RPG's that you CAN do in TB RPG's.

Now will Fallout return to its RPG roots? unless there is a Fallout Tactics 2, probably not, Beth is just too lazy to change its RPG Formula to do that, why would they do that when they make [censored] tons of money off using that same formula over and over again.

Why is FO3 a "fake" RPG? Other than that it is in a style you don't like? You say it's because. " its all the damn same "go here shoot that CUTSCENE go there shoot that CUTSCENE move a few feCUTSCENE"." But this wasn't the case in FO3, as I remember it, there were very few cutscenes in the whole game.

This was something I was trying to avoid.

I did say in the OP that I didn't want this turning into anything other than a debate about Turn Based making a return. So your comments about Beth being lazy... Not helping.
If you want a bash Beth thread then go open one, don't try to subvert this one.

The cut scene thing was directed at FPS's in general.

Im just so sick of FPS, I need something new, or old in this case.

Ok. But again, the question in the OP and in the poll isn't "Do you want isometric back?" or "Are you sick of FPS?"

I'm not being rude here mate. Just trying to keep the thread on topic.

By making it off topic?

Copying post from another thread. Reason: Laziness.

I sincerely hope that all future Fallouts (and retro-engineered F3 and F:NV) include an optional turn based system. There may be some complications with certain Perks & Traits but otherwise I don't see why it couldn't be done. Just have VATS activate when a hostile enemy sees you and add movement and menu access to combat as AP users. Doesn't seem to complicated. I guess the player would have to decide what type of combat they're using beforehand -- wouldn't AP be computed differently? I'd imagine TB would have more.

I doubt I'd use it; I prefer using my own skills governed by my character's stats. But if it's kept optional it would be a nice nod to the series's origins.

Plus, imagine the fun of all the threads complaining how they 'got it wrong'.

Equally, there's stuff you can do in Real Time RPGs that you can't do in Turn Based RPGs. Real time RPGs offer you greater control over your character and place a greater emphasis on physical player skill.

Both types of RPGs have their benefits and drawbacks.