Perfect but impossible : IV - Oblivion

» Thu May 26, 2011 9:44 pm

So the review made you hate the game?

No, I still love it, though in a more platonic sense in these days.

» Fri May 27, 2011 5:21 am

This is getting out of hand and becoming quite ridiculous.

Allow me to point out that every experience is subjective, not objective. I agreed with Tamalak's assessment that the OP's experience was not due to the infallibility of the coding, but rather the player's reaction to and attunement with the subject matter of the game.

Saying that this game is the end-all, be-all of RPGs is exclusionary and totally intolerant. As with any game, this is a personal experience. Don't force your views on me and I'll grant you the same courtesy.

» Thu May 26, 2011 8:15 pm

call me a morrowind nazi but....

Oblivion was too simple, what happned to crossbows and thorwing stars? dimplomacy and politics? Multiple ways to complete a quest? Medui m armor and unarmored? what about Spears, or axes now being a blunt weapon? only 4 unrelated guilds, where is the faction rivallialy like that of Great Houses?

Morrowind had the depth, but was hampered due to it's time (graphics, AI)...I hope TES 5 is more like morrowind....

The only thing in my opinion oblivion showed promise with was the AI, graphics and vioce acting (which is a double edged sword as it restricts content).

I think people need to look at each elderscrolls experience as a seperate game and stop comparing. As Todd Howard says in the oblivion E3 commentary (not a direct quote, it's just from memory) "We build each game from scratch which makes it a different experience and is very important to us".

I agree with everything you said about oblivion it is so... wow I alway wonder how Bethesda makes such amazing games and how almost everyone else make such terrible games (not by comparison).

» Fri May 27, 2011 6:30 am

This is getting out of hand and becoming quite ridiculous.

Allow me to point out that every experience is subjective, not objective. I agreed with Tamalak's assessment that the OP's experience was not due to the infallibility of the coding, but rather the player's reaction to and attunement with the subject matter of the game.

Saying that this game is the end-all, be-all of RPGs is exclusionary and totally intolerant. As with any game, this is a personal experience. Don't force your views on me and I'll grant you the same courtesy.

I'm not forcing my opinion on anyone. I am posting my opinion. Did I not say "I" and "seems"?

Anyway, please get back on topic.

» Fri May 27, 2011 4:33 am

Yes, Oblivion truly is an amazing game, I think I have established that in about 3 of your threads now. I'm not sure how Bethesda made the game so good - lots of time working on it perhaps?

But yeah, you've got to stop making threads like these, seti. No offence, but the last one ended up in an argument and I imagine this one will go down the same road.

» Fri May 27, 2011 4:39 am

Yes, Oblivion truly is an amazing game, I think I have established that in about 3 of your threads now. I'm not sure how Bethesda made the game so good - lots of time working on it perhaps?

But yeah, you've got to stop making threads like these, seti. No offence, but the last one ended up in an argument and I imagine this one will go down the same road.

Does it always have to degrade to arguments? is this the rule of the forums? I want one that stays open long enough to get a full answer.

» Fri May 27, 2011 11:00 am

Does it always have to degrade to arguments? is this the rule of the forums? I want one that stays open long enough to get a full answer.

No, it's not the rules of the forums, but it happens naturally: someone expresses and opinion, someone disagrees and says theirs. From there people start to argue.

Sadly, I don't think anyone in this topic is a Bethesda employee, so don't expect to get a 'full answer' on this one.

» Fri May 27, 2011 7:10 am

No, it's not the rules of the forums, but it happens naturally: someone expresses and opinion, someone disagrees and says theirs. From there people start to argue.

Sadly, I don't think anyone in this topic is a Bethesda employee, so don't expect to get a 'full answer' on this one.

I don't expect that, but I'm looking for other answers How does this technology develop so quickly, do any other companies make such large games, and how is all of this accomplished in a game?(in your opinion)

» Thu May 26, 2011 9:09 pm

I'm not forcing my opinion on anyone. I am posting my opinion. Did I not say "I" and "seems"?

Anyway, please get back on topic.

Back on topic? That's cute. My comments are totally "on topic".

The issue, as it appears to me, is that there are those who believe that TES4 is the penultimate game, whereas there are others who believe that it is not. This is wholly and fully a subjective matter. Personally, I think Oblivion is fantastic. I've never played Morrowind and, thusly, can not compare it to Oblivion. There are a great many people who have played both and they are certainly entitled to share their views.

While I may think that Oblivion is an awesome game, I have to accept the fact that there are those who's opinions will differ from mine.

» Thu May 26, 2011 7:52 pm

I don't expect that, but I'm looking for other answers How does this technology develop so quickly, do any other companies make such large games, and how is all of this accomplished in a game?(in your opinion)

Oh, right, I see. Well I'm not good with technology and all that, so I'm not exactly sure how it develops. But I think games like Oblivion and Morrowind are accomplished just by a lot of hard work, talent and dedication.

There are other games like this though, just look at GTA: San Andreas - it was made for PS2 but had so many amazing features and a huge map.

» Fri May 27, 2011 8:39 am

Back on topic? That's cute. My comments are totally "on topic".

The issue, as it appears to me, is that there are those who believe that TES4 is the penultimate game, whereas there are others who believe that it is not. This is wholly and fully a subjective matter. Personally, I think Oblivion is fantastic. I've never played Morrowind and, thusly, can not compare it to Oblivion. There are a great many people who have played both and they are certainly entitled to share their views.

While I may think that Oblivion is an awesome game, I have to accept the fact that there are those who's opinions will differ from mine.

I expect difference in opinions, but I am not having an argument. I am stating my experience, but doubt it is all a figment of my imagination. The game is large and graphically impressive. I am asking how. This thread is about how this is made. What technology is used, how many hours does it take, do other companies do this and how is such a large game run by a platform? Now, I will ask again one more time, and please don't turn this into an argument.

Please, let's get back on topic.

» Thu May 26, 2011 9:54 pm

I am asking how. This thread is about how this is made. What technology is used, how many hours does it take, do other companies do this and how is such a large game run by a platform?

Ah, I get it now.

I suggest you PM Gstaff and ask him to put you in touch with the development team. Actually, you could PM todd@bethesda and ask the executive producer, himself.

» Fri May 27, 2011 9:23 am

Ah, I get it now.

I suggest you PM Gstaff and ask him to put you in touch with the development team. Actually, you could PM todd@bethesda and ask the executive producer, himself.

Would Todd Howard take the time to explain it to one of many fans?

» Fri May 27, 2011 6:34 am

Would Todd Howard take the time to explain it to one of many fans?

He might, but you're better off asking Gstaff seeing as I think it's his job to be on the forums and answer questions. He's on here all the time, too.

» Fri May 27, 2011 2:15 am

Would Todd Howard take the time to explain it to one of many fans?

I'm not Todd Howard.

Would you take the time to ask him to explain it?

What have you got to lose, but a few minutes of your time?

» Fri May 27, 2011 2:08 am

Considering that this was completely impossible 30 years ago, I can't imagine what will exist in another 30 years.

The Holodeck? :biglaugh:

No seriously. Games in which you actually walk in the game? Let's not rule it out!

» Fri May 27, 2011 12:05 am

No seriously. Games in which you actually walk in the game? Let's not rule it out!

witch craft,

» Fri May 27, 2011 6:02 am

It blurs the boundry from games to life?

Holy [censored], I'm leaving this forum.

» Thu May 26, 2011 8:27 pm

yes, welcome to the awesomesauce that is Oblivion

It blurs the boundry from games to life?

Holy [censored], I'm leaving this forum.

Too late, once you've stepped on this forum, there's no leaving.

bliviongate:

» Fri May 27, 2011 1:40 am

Holy Cow, this thread is not what Seti18 wanted to be.

EDIT: example, there was a member who made a thread thanking Bethesda for making this game because it made him happy and not depressed. Other members were flaming the OP, if you don't like the subject, don't enter.

» Fri May 27, 2011 3:08 am

It's perfect. Even with its flaws, it is still perfect.

[LOGIC]If it has flaws, it's not perfect.[/LOGIC]

Don't get me wrong, Oblivion's a phenomenal game, but it's objectively not perfect, which is nothing to hold against Beth because nothing is perfect.

» Fri May 27, 2011 5:13 am

[LOGIC]If it has flaws, it's not perfect.[/LOGIC]

Don't get me wrong, Oblivion's a phenomenal game, but it's objectively not perfect, which is nothing to hold against Beth because nothing is perfect.

Well if you accept the flaws, then it's no problem.

» Fri May 27, 2011 4:18 am

Perfection is overrated. If something is perfect, there is no room for improvement, therefore boring. If something is boring, it can't be perfect, so perfection is impossible.
Oblivion is great, a little too focused on level, but generally awesome nonetheless. It's flaws make it better, something you can laugh at. A weird story.

» Fri May 27, 2011 3:14 am

[LOGIC]If it has flaws, it's not perfect.[/LOGIC]

Don't get me wrong, Oblivion's a phenomenal game, but it's objectively not perfect, which is nothing to hold against Beth because nothing is perfect.

but what if the flaws are perfect?

» Fri May 27, 2011 10:42 am

Perfection is overrated. If something is perfect, there is no room for improvement, therefore boring. If something is boring, it can't be perfect, so perfection is impossible.
Oblivion is great, a little too focused on level, but generally awesome nonetheless. It's flaws make it better, something you can laugh at. A weird story.

That is the best way to put it.