Humankind is imperfect. Therefore, everything created by Humankind is imperfect. In fact, I believe that perfection does not even exist. And I further believe that if such a thing as perfection did exist chances are humanity would not recognize it.

What I have just said is not a criticism of Oblivion. We all love people and things that are imperfect. We would not be able to love at all if it were otherwise. This discussion of perfection, as it applies to Oblivion, is pointless.

I don't agree with this since it's your opinion. Since OB is perfect to me and your saying perfect is boring, then why do I have it for PC / PS3 and playing this game since 2006?

Wait till you see what the CS and community effort has made possible.

Oblivion is a great game, but after player Morrowind and others, you soon see that it could have been much more.

Heres hoping that ES 5 will be even better and maybe introduce some game mechanics from previous games that were sadly left out of Oblivion.

But yeah, Oblivion is awesome, so is the CS, so is the community and so is Bethesda.

Do we have to say it?

Btw, you guys were right.
There is no leaving.

Shadow28 can answer it since he made the statement.

I haven't read through the whole thread, but I don't like what I did read.

It seems all of seti's threads turn into arguments and flaming. He tried to make a thread to express how amazing he thinks this game is (which it is), and all he got was criticism. There is nothing wrong with that, but it needs to be presented in a certain way. If Oblivion is his second life, that's fine. Because that's what the game was intended to be.

I don't think it's perfect. Nothing ever will be. But Oblivion is still my favorite game, and it probably will be for a long time.

Thanks.

As far as I remember, the manual even said it was designed as a second life. It does seem so to me, as I have had it for a year and still find surprises. It is this game that has made Bethesda my single favorite game company, by far. No other game has allowed me such freedom and no ohter game has given me as much gameplay time.

That is just my opinion and you don't have to agree with it, but I'm sure all of you get where I am coming from. I would find it hard to believe that none of you enjoy the game or at least conisider it a large and impressive game. Either way, the answers are not exactly what I would have liked, but it's what I should have expeced. I find it strange that I can't praise this game in the very section of the official forums that were designed for this game. Regardless of it being perfect to you or not, please do not turn this thread into sheer criticism. If you can't say anything good about this game, then why say anything at all? I had some questions that were not addressed, but rather my interpretation of the game is being heavily challenged. If it is impossible to make one thread praising Oblivion, then why post at all?

You make a thread claiming that Oblivion is "perfect", do you not expect people to post disagreements with that?

There are many replies in this thread that agree with you, along with those who disagree, is that not acceptable? Will you only be satisfied when you make a thread where there is nothing but a chorus of agreement and a complete echoing of your sentiment? Because that is a pretty hopeless thing to aim for on the internet.

And even if you somehow managed to get such a thread, I don't see what the point of it would be.

This actually exists today in a rudimentary form. http://www.virtusphere.com/

True holodeck technology is a pipe dream. Even if one could create free floating and vivid holograms (which you can't do like in the show because it's light, and light needs to be reflected so you see it which today can only be done as a hologram with smoke or some other particulate), there's no real life physics to make force fields that can hold you up the way they work in Star Trek. And before you say anything like perhaps one day we'll invent force fields: We already have. They are not invisible walls like science-fiction would have you believe. They're merely invisible shields that deflect radioactive particles, but a projectile or solid object would still be able to penetrate it. No matter how much energy you have at your disposal, it would be impossible to create an electrostatic field that acts like a solid wall.

:facepalm: My thread is not about Oblivion being perfect. I am explaining my experience, but the game is definitely large and gives much freedom. I am asking how such a game is made.

That is too broad a question for any of us to helpfully answer. I think if you write to Besthesda also framing the question in such a way you would get nothing helpful from them. What I am saying is this:



is untrue. You have posted THREE threads praising Oblivion, one of which had nothing but positive replies, until you started to preemptively put down people who dislike the game, and some of us responded.

Programming helps. Maybe if you were more specific, I could give you a more direct answer

No, I did not. As I recall, you came on to on of those threads and started bashing away at Oblivion. You stated " Oblivion does s**k. That's a nice way of making YOUR OPINION clear.

Also, remember "Those who play Oblivion are often inexperienced RPG players"?

Do you suppose this is a nice way of treating people who disagree with you about Oblivion? Note that you said this before anyone visited your thread with anything but positive replies.

My point is not "wah you hurt my feelings", I don't mind you saying this, only that you need to expect other people to be similarly open with their opinions on a public forum on the internet. You have no right to complain if other peoples' replies do not match your opinion of the game.

I will complain because this thread is not about opinions. It is about HOW THIS GAME WAS MADE. Yes, I am describing my experience. Yes, I have no control over other people's opinions. I don't care if the have different opinons, but when a thread in the Oblivion section that isn't even dealing with opinions comes down to "Oblivion s**ks", then I mind.

To be honest, that's probably true. But the amount of people here that claim Morrowind was the first TES game they played makes it seem hypocritical.

And why does everyone here seem to resort to 'you offended me' when someone challenges them? I don't see any personal insults, just the absence of any defence of your own opinions when someone disagrees. Both of you, stop complaining when people disagree; if you're going to discuss this, do it. If you're not going to discuss it, then post your own opinion, and then don't try and defend it when it is challenged.

Well I think people (including me) were confused about your original post on this topic, because it was about 80% unmitigated worship of the game and 20% questions like "how is such a perfect game possible?" We didn't think the technical questions were the point of the post.

I'm still not sure how to answer. It's like asking "how is a house made?" It takes a huge amount of effort and a lot of different people with a lot of different specialties. And when you focus in on one person's role, it actually looks rather mundane. And yet the final result is amazing. Like I said, it's too broad a question to answer helpfully, which is why we're going off on a lot of tangents.

He can have his opinion, but my thread isn't about that.

If a mod sees this, please lock it.

I would just like to state, to the OP, that if you think Oblivion is perfect, your mind would explode with all Morrowind has to offer, and couldn't even stand to witness the glory that is Daggerfall (which, BTW, is avaliable for free on beth's website now )

I wouldn't start on with that...

Both are amazing games for different reasons. But it does amaze me how Bethesda made Oblivion and all its content in space of only 4 years or so. Incredible. You can tell Bethesda are dedicated by their amount of effort put into the games, and that's why I get annoyed when I hear "Bethesda treat their fans like crap."

I am more referring to the scope of those games and the features in them compared to Oblivion. There is a lot more in both, as Morrowind removed things Daggerfall had and Oblivion removed even more that Morrowind had.

But I agree with you with people who say Beth treats customers like crap. I've never had an issue with anything Bethesda does or says, except that Todd Howard is a terrible spokesperson.

Yeah, Tamalak and Gallowglass! I play Oblivion so I'm not experienced in RPG and don't know what the genre is. Thanks. :foodndrink: and :goodjob:

Have you checked what the word "often" means? Your sig is a fact. Statistics do not revolve around you as an individual.

I don't know where you get your statistics from, but only a role-player would like Oblivion.

Morrowind is better if you don't mind the graphics