I mean, the Courier brings up some convincing points. Holding both the East and the West would be difficult, and Caesar doesn't even want the power from the Dam. The battle is draining Legion troops and resources, and even if they are heading for a victory, there will be a heavy cost. Continuing West would probably take the entire Legion.

The risk seems too great, the more I think about it.

The Legion and NCR are doomed either way. When you have civilizations that have only conquest as their priority, they will always fail. History is a [censored].

Play Honest Heart and you would know more.

Thanks for that, I'll get around to it.


Eventually, both will fall. Eventually I will die. Doesn't mean sticking a gun to my head and pulling the trigger is a good idea.

The CL's system is built around militaristic expansion, the average legionnaire is taught to hate everything the NCR stands for, and the NCR has already humiliated the Legion in the Mojave once before. It would make little sense if the Legion didn't continue to fight the NCR for the region.

That said though, I don't see the Legion not collapsing in on itself sooner rather than later let alone being able to successfully hold "the East and the West"

Nah, but they would have to take a break of expansion to control their lands and expand their military strength.
Besides, if they don't take Vegas then the synthesis won't be achieved and the Legion won't really change into what Caesar had planned.
Legion is all about 'the greater good', maybe losing the east is a necessary loss for the Legion to grow.
They can always return in a decade or two and take it again, I hardly think that a nation will have been able to form during their absence.
Only reason they're losing so many troops is because two super powers are fighting each other.
So say they take the west, then there is no more super power, only randomly scattered raider tribes and towns that they can roll over.

So no, it's best for Legion to win.
But even if they don't they will still survive and even thrive as they rebuild their losses.
Problem with them losing is that Caesars goal will be lost and that Lanius or whoever takes his place after he dies might change Legion into something else.
So them losing has their future at risk.

History has also shown weaker nations are often conquered. Not to mention that pretty much every civilization in human history is based on conquest "war, war never changes." Many civilizations built on conquest can have a good run and last hundreds of years or more. America in Fallout lasted from 1776- 2077 (longer if you are a president Richardson fan lol).

NCR is not bent on conquering the same way as the Legion. NCR is insidious (I know that is negative) they will try to take over in ways other then war. There really is no example of NCR just conquering any faction as a first option. Sure you can bring up the Khans but you have to remember the Khans were long time enemies of NCR before there even was an NCR.

I agree Elvis it isn't so great for the Legion to want to try to take NCR. The cost in the long run will be the down fall of the Legion even if they do manage to conquer NCR and not get their asses handed to them. Then again Caesar is so his judgment would be effected greatly. Could be why he thinks it is a good idea to try and conquer a power as great as NCR.

I guess this would come down to how stable the region to the east is. There'd Dog City and the Modwest Brotherhood of Steel waiting for the Legion. I'm not sure how much of a threat either of those are to the Legion. at the same time, if they managed to secure their position by having an ocean at their backs they could expand with greater ease. In the end what would matter would be things like transportation and communication, both of which are greatly benefitted by technology, radios, automated transport, etc. If Ceasar is sitting pretty in his new Rome and there's a rebellion out in Flagstaff he won't know about it for days, then it will take even longer to get an army there. Same would go for a Brotherhood incursion.

I'd have to disagree. As Lanius pointed out, the Mojave is a fresh batch of resources. Probably what the Legion would need to continue their conquest Westwards. Besides, they've conquered a lot so I don't see why that'd suddenly stop.

Caesar's biggest mistake besides creating a civilization whose only goal is conquest is shunning technology, even basic medicine. If his empire doesn't crumble from within fast enough, what's to stop a large army with advanced tech from wiping them out....hint.hint...Enclave.

>Implying the Enclave is a threat to anybody now.

Other than robots and medicine for legionnaires the Legion does not shun technology at all, they just don't "rely" too much on it.

What would the Legion really get out of the Mojave? They don't really want the dam for power. Caesar sees it more as a large bridge across the Colorado then anything. He will gain alot of slaves but most of population will be killed or flee back into NCR. Any tech the Legion capture will be a waste seeing as how Caesar is against it. Maybe not a complete waste seeing as how the Legion do try to make a play to buy energy weapons but the Legion would have few people if any able to understand and maintain them. I doubt they have alot of people skilled in the use of them. It would take along time to train people to use them, a long time to get new soldiers from those conquered in using the Mojave.

Caesar could be hoping that this will cause a panic in NCR and maybe even cause it to break apart. I don't see that happening. If anything it will cause NCR to pull their head out of the sand and grow a pair when it comes to fighting the Legion.

NCR has a great defence against the Legion. The Sierra Nevadas. Legion would have to send their armies through the Mountains on foot and NCR has trains and carvavan routes that can send armies alot fast to battlefields. One reason why NCR is having so much trouble in the Mojave is because the Rail Road into the Mojave was never finished and NCR can't send troops from Northern Nevada because of the Big Empty and Divide. If the NCR lose the Mojave they will go back behind the mountains and the Legion will have to come to them. Those skirts that are great for desert fighting (keeping them from over heating) will be next to useless in the cold mountains.

I don t think they should conquer the dam either, this way fallout will keep its credibility to an extent.


Ceaser s weak fake half assed Legion can not win.

The DC raiders could hold the dam against them.

Roman Legionaries are rolling over in there graves.


You dropped some of the real Roman Legions in AZ in 2281 and then they would become a threat. They would look at the tech around them and use it.

Rome was the or near the cutting edge on everything.

Romans wouldn t stay in the 10s ad in 2281ad.

Ceaser must have had a tumor for a long time.

He gives Rome a bad name just dumb

The synthesis, the change for the Legion that is required for it to grow in the right direction as Caesar intended.

That is pretty harsh. No need to get Legion fans up in arms. The Legion are a super power and they are a force to be reckoned with.

I'm not sure what the difference is. They may use certain forms of technology, but they don't create anything. We've only seen them using some firearms. They have no transportation, no education, no comunication other than runners, and no inovation. Yes they are a powerful force that has the potential to conquor what it sets its sights on, but it lacks the infrastructure to maintain a sizable empire.

Flash new, the Enclave is dead, so does the BOS, just to clarify some things
Flash new 2, they dont shun technology, they just dont rely much on it, noticed how the have a Howtwizer , uses weapons and CHAINSAWS?, oh and their Centturion use scavenged power armor

Thats not "shunning technology for me



Nevermind the Latin speaking and Caesar being the only person who knows the history of the NCR before becoming a republic :rolleyes:

**Chicago**. Plus other places.

1. And you can thank Obsidian for not showing us that they do or don't create stuff, as of now it's only speculation.
2. Other than a vertibird and a train that never reached fruition, neither does NCR.
3. Nothing confirms that, all we've seen is military camps.
4. They use radios from what I've seen.
5. ?
6. I dunno, I think they do, and if they don't have it currently then all the more reason for them to achieve the synthesis.

It would be a great victory for the Legion. It would give them alot of chest thumping rights but what do they get militarily from taking the Mojave? Caesar wants all of NCR and for that he needs every last man in his empire. He has to get past the Sierra Nevadas. He has to go up against NCR which can sit behind the rockies and build up armies for a counter offensive. NCR's clothing is better fit for mountain fighting. NCR can get soldiers from both Men and Women and have a greater population. With the Legion "at the gates" the population would rally in defence from the "barbarian horde." With their rail lines they could have troops from all courners of the NCR at a battlefield within a matter of days. Not to mention NCR is far more technologically advanced then the Legion in every way.

lol yes they are legends in their own minds.


"Profligates like you belong on a cross" "I didn t think an NCR ranger could be beaten in single combat"

"Hold your tonge wasterol"

"I heard the profligates at Camp Forlorn Hope begged for their lives" lol

" I m looking forward to being sent across the river"

1. True, but the only thing we have seen them create are machetes and armor. And the occasional fortification. But all of their technology is taken from their defeated enemies. Even their armor, and walls.
2. Saying that the NCR lacks transportation doesn't improve tthe Legion's. (ie. Straw Man)
3. According to the wiki the Legion has some forms of education (proestesses and such) but we know they're not truethful about the way the world works. Most of the soldiers believe Ceasar is the son of Mars... or something like that.
4. I haven't seen any radio towers as a part of the Legion. The weather staiton doesn't count.
5. That means they don't create anything new.
6. I agree to disagree with you on this.

Caesar want's his rome that's why he tries to take the dam.

No its not wow. Is there some biased in here.

Taking over the damn and perhaps New Vegas is pointless there going to be wasting there time and resources on something thats far valuable and not going to any use.

If they can barely hold a part of the Mojave for how it is they wont hold all of it if they capture it. There going to loose alot of men and whos to say that they wont send in more NCR troops. Once they take the west they wont be able to hole on to the east as well and vice versa.

Really its just a Lose/Lose situation for them.