I recently rolled a new character. He's level 12 now but 90% of the quests I did on him is different than what I did on my first toon. The playstyle is completely different as well since my first toon was a mage while my new toon is a sneaky thief-assassin. Don't be afraid to reroll but if you do, make different choices and your experience will be different as well.

Yes but as mentioned, a class change is a misnomer - no-one would be able to effectively change classes without making a jack-of-all-trades-master-of-none.

If for example, I decided to flip my warrior to pure mage via console now what would happen is: I have a 'mage' who has no mage skills so cannot even spend the perks, no mage stats so can't cast spells and no mage armour so I'd need to go craft/enchant/buy more. I agree that people may might middle ground stat characters i.e. levelling all the stats equally but they are going to be nothing next to a properly made one. I guess that if I have maxed out all skillsto allow me effective use of a change of perks, then it's probably fair to say the time has been put in and the player/character has run into an artificial barrier (perk limit).


Equally I don't get the impression people are wanting to be able to flip mid-dungeon if they're having a tough time. An NPC in a city is more what I'm reading from this.



I really don't get the feeling (m)any people are wanting to make the game such that Monday>warrior, Tuesday>thief and so forth, just the opportunity to correct newbie errors/later changes/minor playstyle tweak (i.e. change from axe to sword say).


Edit: A perfect example actually are those who did not realise the smithing tree was one way and stopped at dragon. i.e went up the glass route expecting to be able to loop around to daedric and couldn't. That's a real shame and there can be no reasonable expectation of a new player to realise that.

The difference is that you can play as a staff using minion summoner who switches to melee after a summon. Changing your perks so that they were first full summoning power and then full melee power defeats the purpose of this game, you are supposed to progress your character and not just be a JOAT 24/7.

If you're trying a completely different play style, I can understand. I plan on doing that myself actually (Imperial this time, will try Stormcloak next time). However for an evolving play style, restarting to change some perks doesn't make sense if the most of your style will end up being the same.

I.e. : I started my Argonian to be a stealthy archer type, so I put points into light armor. My play style has evolved into a more a battlemage type. So looking back, those points in light armor would be better spent in heavy armor. Even if it was a limited number of points you could move or a scaling gold cost per point, it would be useful.



Holy crap dude, I did exactly that!



As flooble said, I don't expect or want to switch perks in combat or in a dungeon. Maybe have to trek to some remote mountaintop to talk to some monk or something.

Doesn't anyone research their character before you roll it?

Why would you start a mage (or any other character) and not know in which schools to put your perks?

Because unlike me, probably not that many people do that. Expecting people to RTFM is one thing, expecting them to trawl the net and fansites/wikis to work out what's crap, what's not, what's working as intended, what's limited in some way and so forth all so some people don't have their immersion broken by adding a function to correct newbie errors is a touch unreasonable imo.

Besides, there's still not sufficient data to make 100% informed decisions. Don't believe me? Tell me how much bleed damage the axe perk does. Then tell me exactly what gain can be expected form the mace ignoring armour. Also the critical strike damage multiplier - that'd be handy. Those three questions form KEY information on picking 2H weapon specialisations...that data is not available out there - we need to guess. Sometimes, with a 1 in 3 shot, people will get it wrong. It's not as if those weapon effects are equal and mere stylistic choices - they make a difference.


And further to even that, most people don't buy a game to spend a substantial amount of time on google to avoid making irrevocable decisions for their characters.


Edit: I see someone has quoted the official guide since I last googled the axe bleed and based on that data, it is trash. I didn't pick it, but I'd have been annoyed if I had done.

What's pretty interesting is the people who are requesting the option are fairly polite in their manner, and it seems like the dudes who are against it seem quite offensive that they are right and we must play the game the way they wish. Very interesting.

I'll hold my hands up, I [censored] up my build by not planning ahead and now I wish I had paid more attention. What makes that wrong? I'm stepping out of this one now, since I can't have a conversation with people who are not open
Minded enough to consider the ramifications from both sides.

Ah but that is where some planning comes in, before I pick a perk I always look up the tree to see where it will take me in the end.

But for the point of this thread I think that you should be able to get back a limited number of perk points to re-allocate but it should be though a one-time only quest. It not like you could completely res[pec anyway because you would not have the skills need to spend the points in a different tree but this would allow you move a few around.

no perk resets please, or make it part of the gameplay thats REALLY expensive or hard to get.

Yeah, but the smithing tree is a circle. So it'd make sense to be able to go either way around.

If I were an enterprising modder adding the feature in, I'd probably make it cost a very substantial amount of money; 1000 times your level sounds about right.

I research my characters up the yingyang too. I obsessively save points etc to make best use of them.


But I'm not arguing this on my personal behalf as a) my two characters are already planned and I'm happy with them and B) if it all goes belly up I can console fix it. I simply think that it is reasonable to allow people to correct errors.

I guess I'm too 'live & let live' for the hardcoe RPG'ers here, just as far as I'm concerned if it's not affecting my gameplay - crack on Just like why I'm not interested that by means of crafting you can be a walking immortal one-shotting everything in the game. If that's floating your boat, fine. Because you can't play in my sandpit


tbh, if xbox/ps had console access I'd shut up

Don't get me wrong I'm not againt resets at all, but to me it would have to make sense in the overall theme of the game. For instance not just walk up to some NPC give him a load of gold and bam reset. More like find X shrine some where in the wilds, activate it to be given a quest to bing item Y back to the shrine up on which you will be allowed to move some perks around.

Yeah I know. But that only needs to exist because you have to lose a perk - I think the real hiccup here is the artificial glass ceiling on perks.

iF YOU WANT TO PLAY A VIDEO GAME THEN GO PLAY A VIDEO GAME THIS IS AN RPG SO STOP COMPLAINING BECAUSE YOU ARE NOT PLAYING A GAME THAT DOES NOT SUITS YOU. SOME PEOPLE REALLY AMAZE ME SOMETIMES WITH THEIR REASONING.

My god. All this time and I never realised the term video game and RPG were mutually exclusive.

Perhaps I dreamt all my NWN PW times.....


Love the caps though, that's so cool, I wonder why it's not done more often.....

Are you one of the devs?

I've always been amazed at people who tell other people how to play a single-player game since it in no way impacts how you play the game.

If someone was asking for something that WOULD impact you, that's one thing. You don't HAVE to use ANY feature of the game if you don't want to.

Did no one here change majors in college? Or maybe change career paths? Or what about really getting into one sport after you were devoted to another?

This is a perfectly human desire, and it's one that the game accommodates. However, just like in real life, while you're free to "strike off on another path," you also carry the accumulated wisdom from your previous focus along with you.

Try role-playing that as an asset rather than a crutch.

What if you spent four years in college earning a business degree but then discovered you really wanted to make hand-crafted Adirondack chairs? Well... good for you. You might not make a better chair than a tradesman who's been making Adirondack chairs his whole life, but with your business savvy, perhaps you can do a better job of marketing them or controlling your overhead.

Or what about someone who's played soccer/football since they were small but then decided they really enjoyed basketball. You might not have as good a shot as other people, but maybe your conditioning gives you an edge on defense.

Long story short... unless there's a soap-opera-plane-crash-amnesia quest, you'll never be able to "forget" what you already know. Use it to your advantage and treat it as fertile ground for actually role-playing a uniquely "human" character (regardless if you're a cat or a lizard, or elf, or what-have-you).

In my not so important opinion perks are to easy to get anyway.

You should receive perks every 2 levels not every 1 level and there should be more requirements especially for the higher perks

WHAT I SEE HERE ARE MANY PEOPLE THAT DECIDED TO BUY SKYRIM AFTER HEARING THIS IS GOING TO BE A GREAT GAME THEN STARTS TO PLAY AND IT'S NOT WHAT THEY EXPECTED IT TO BE . NOW THEY COMPLAIN THEY WANT THIS AND THEY WANT THAT NEVER SATISFIED JUST LIKE A SPOILED KID.

I really want the option to reset perks, it would be amazing.

Worst kinds of spoilt kids are those who see what others are doing and get all jealous and upset because someone else dares to have fun a different way. You know the ones, the ones that cannot abide someone else having fun their own way so they do their level best to spoil it.

Something about the manner of your recent posts made me think of that...

That's the way I like to play. I enjoyed Oblivion over several times doing so.

A complete reset would be a bit too much. But I'd sure like to remove the perks I invested in the One-handed tree and spend those elsewhere. Damn misleading that the first perk doesn't buff dagger damage at all.

The amount of people who use the word 'logic' while simultaneously failing to understand what it means is staggering.


That is all..