Persistant CTDs- but only in Ald Redaynia : III

» Sat May 28, 2011 7:27 am

Earlier today, while wondering around the Sheogorad region, I decided to stop into everyone's favorite ruined Velothi tower in order to grab the Bitter Cup and Vampiric Ring. Not ten steps in, however, my game CTDed. I reloaded the save I had made right in front of the door, entered again, started beating up some skeletons, and got another CTD. Third time in I'm a little worried, and I save after every fight so I won't have to waste time redoing it. Sure enough, it doesn't take long to get another CTD. And then I discover that all the saves I've been making won't load- they crash the minute the cell become visible.

By this point something is obviously very wrong, so I check my warnings.txt (which is unhelpful), restart my computer, clean the saves in Mash, and try again. The most recent ones still won't load, but the one outside the door will. Going inside still results in a crash within minutes, and new saves created inside also fail to load. Eventually, I decided to see what would happen if I didn't go in, and I have been playing with no problems for the past hour.

The question is, why would CTDs be so common inside one cell but not the rest of the game? Not being able to go to Ald Redaynia is not that big of a deal, but I'm worried that it may be but one symptom of a larger issue that will cause problems down the road. The crashes all occurred while doing different activities in different areas of the cell, so it can't be a particular object item or spot. I'm running a rather extensive list of mods, but as far as I know none of them modify Ald Redaynia. I am completely stumped and a little unnerved, so I'd appreciate any help that can be offered.

» Sat May 28, 2011 8:02 pm

using any mods?

» Sat May 28, 2011 1:34 pm

using any mods?

Yes, almost 120. But none of them should alter Ald Redaynia, as far as I know. I don't suppose there's a way what mods affect what cells? (Aside from reading the "details" list of every single plugin...)

» Sat May 28, 2011 8:23 am

My first thought is that one of your mods messes with the Bittercup script, or the Bittercup itself. since they are unique to this cell only.
But...

What if I have problems with my modded game?
If you need to start a thread because you can't find a specific answer to your Warnings, mod conflicts or strange behaviour caused by mods, here are some tips for providing the correct info needed to get help.

Post your Load Order: The most helpful
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Post your Warning.txt file: you will be asked for this
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Mention any third-party programs you are using:
Are you using MGE, MWE, MWSE, etc? And which version number are they?
Use Mlox and post the output:
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» Sat May 28, 2011 4:33 am

Right, here you are. Sorry for not posting this earlier- my initial assumption was that it was probably not related to any specific mod.

External Programs- MGE 3.8, MWE 1.6, FPS Optimizer 1.96

Load Order:

Spoiler

001 Morrowind.esm
002 Tribunal.esm
003 Bloodmoon.esm
004 THE Facepack Compilation.esm
005 THE Morrowind NPC Makeover.esm
006 TR_Data.esm
007 TR_Map1.esm
008 TR_Map2.esm
009 Hilgya the Seamstress.esm
010 Book Rotate.esm
011 Texture Fix 1.8.esm
012 Scripted_Spells.esp
013 Chalk30-Base.esp
014 The Holiday Mod.esp
015 HG_robe01.esp
016 Better Bodies.esp
017 Improved Inns.esp (Version 1.01)
018 Nymeria's Faster Walk.esp
019 Gothic&Regal Dresses_1.1.esp
020 Clean BadKarma Clothing Vendor.esp
021 House Raiments - Addition.esp
022 MWE_Base.esp
023 constance1_0.esp
024 Eyren_Robes.esp
025 House of Earthly Delights, Harem Style.esp
026 BB_Clothiers_of_Vvardenfell_v1.1.esp
027 Clean Aradia's Needle.esp
028 The Crimson Wire by Mandamus-EV1.0.esp
029 Cali_StarstoneOutpost.esp
030 BadKarma's Anjurin Chest.esp
031 Gothic Attire Complete v1-1.esp
032 sm_staves_MA + Icons.esp
033 Scissors & Thimbles.esp
034 Scissors & Thimbles II.esp
035 Vality's Bitter Coast Addon.esp
036 Enhanced Summoning.esp
037 Scissors & Thimbles III.esp
038 BT_Whitewolf_2_0.esp
039 Clean Staves from Cyrodiil.esp
040 Hilgya the Seamstress Expansion 1.esp
041 Inns Rent Storage.esp
042 TyrMagickaRegen.ESP
043 unique Vos.esp
044 WA_Signy_Signposts(!).ESP
045 WA_Signy_Signposts(!)_TR.ESP
046 unique Dagon Fel.esp
047 Enhanced Detection.esp
048 Vurt's Grazelands Trees.ESP
049 Blasphemous Revenants.esp
050 Elemental Magicka 1.0.esp
051 unique Maar Gan.esp
052 unique Dagon Fel-Hilgya ADDON.esp
053 md_daedralord_staffs.ESP
054 Book Rotate - Tribunal v5.3.esp
055 Book Rotate - Bloodmoon v5.3.esp
056 Animated Morrowind 1.0.esp
057 Improved_No_Glow_v1-MW_Trib_Blood.esp
058 k_weather (louder sounds).esp
059 MWE_MagickaSpells.esp
060 Daedric Sorcery.esp (Version 1.2)
061 EDNHE.esp
062 Cali_StarstoneOutpost_RobeTunicPatch.esp
063 Oni_redwool_robes_hats_NP.esp
064 Improved Lockpicking.esp
065 Improved Open Spell Balance-LD.esp
066 Improved Trap Settings.esp
067 Balance - Character.esp
068 Balance - NPC Spellcasting.esp
069 Gameplay - Dialogue.esp
070 Balance - Magic Effects.esp
071 Balance - items.esp
072 Balance - game settings.esp
073 Balance - spells.esp
074 SpellFix_WGI.esp
075 MWE_Journal.esp
076 Unboarable Rieklings.esp
077 MWE_Writing.esp
078 guilds-home.esp
079 CM_Assassin_30.esp
080 Suran_Underworld_2.5.esp
081 Theurgist.esp
082 abotGuars.esp (Version 1.17)
083 AshlanderTent.esp
084 Divine_domina_part_1.esp
085 Divine_domina_part_2.esp
086 Divine_domina_part_3_Tribunal.esp
087 Divine_domina_part_4.esp
088 Divine_domina_part_5.esp
089 Balanced Staves.ESP
090 Lgnpc_SN.esp (Version 0.31)
091 LGNPC_NoLore_v0_83.esp (Version 0.83)
092 LGNPC_GnaarMok_v1_10.esp (Version 1.10)
093 LGNPC_MaarGan_v1_20.esp (Version 1.20)
094 LGNPC_AldVelothi_v1_20.esp (Version 1.20)
095 LGNPC_HlaOad_v1_32.esp (Version 1.32)
096 LGNPC_Aldruhn_v1_20.esp (Version 1.20)
097 LGNPC_Aldruhn_v1_20_suppl.esp
098 LGNPC_Pelagiad_v1_22.esp (Version 1.22)
099 LGNPC_TelMora_v1_20.esp (Version 1.20)
100 LGNPC_Khuul_v2_10.esp (Version 2.10)
101 LGNPC_VivecFQ_v2_10.esp (Version 2.10)
102 LGNPC_SecretMasters_v1_30.esp (Version 1.30)
103 LGNPC_VivecRedoran_v1_50.esp (Version 1.50)
104 LGNPC_PaxRedoran_v1_20.esp (Version 1.20)
105 KS_Julan_Ashlander Companion_1.3.esp (Version 1.3)
106 KEY_Crystal Eggs_01.esp
107 TheUberCrystalEggHunt.esp
108 Clean Akatosh.esp
109 Clean Arkay.esp
110 Clean Dibella.esp
111 Clean jet_gold_armor.esp
112 Clean Mara.esp
113 Clean Kynareth.esp
114 MWE_Combat.esp
115 ACE_Subtitles.esp
116 faster projectiles.ESP
117 Vurt's AI Trees Replacer.ESP
118 IceBradyHurdyRobeReplacerALL.esp
119 Better Clothes_v1.1.esp
120 More Better Clothes.ESP

Warnings.txt (nothing looks related to me, but I could be wrong)

Spoiler

One of the files that "House Raiments - Addition.esp" is dependent on has changed since the last save.
This may result in errors. Saving again will clear this message
but not necessarily fix any errors.
One of the files that "Clean Aradia's Needle.esp" is dependent on has changed since the last save.
This may result in errors. Saving again will clear this message
but not necessarily fix any errors.
One of the files that "sm_staves_MA + Icons.esp" is dependent on has changed since the last save.
This may result in errors. Saving again will clear this message
but not necessarily fix any errors.
One of the files that "Scissors & Thimbles.esp" is dependent on has changed since the last save.
This may result in errors. Saving again will clear this message
but not necessarily fix any errors.
One of the files that "Scissors & Thimbles II.esp" is dependent on has changed since the last save.
This may result in errors. Saving again will clear this message
but not necessarily fix any errors.
One of the files that "Scissors & Thimbles III.esp" is dependent on has changed since the last save.
This may result in errors. Saving again will clear this message
but not necessarily fix any errors.
One of the files that "Unboarable Rieklings.esp" is dependent on has changed since the last save.
This may result in errors. Saving again will clear this message
but not necessarily fix any errors.
One of the files that "CM_Assassin_30.esp" is dependent on has changed since the last save.
This may result in errors. Saving again will clear this message
but not necessarily fix any errors.
One of the files that "Theurgist.esp" is dependent on has changed since the last save.
This may result in errors. Saving again will clear this message
but not necessarily fix any errors.
One of the files that "Divine_domina_part_3_Tribunal.esp" is dependent on has changed since the last save.
This may result in errors. Saving again will clear this message
but not necessarily fix any errors.
One of the files that "Clean Arkay.esp" is dependent on has changed since the last save.
This may result in errors. Saving again will clear this message
but not necessarily fix any errors.
One of the files that "Clean jet_gold_armor.esp" is dependent on has changed since the last save.
This may result in errors. Saving again will clear this message
but not necessarily fix any errors.
One of the files that "Clean Mara.esp" is dependent on has changed since the last save.
This may result in errors. Saving again will clear this message
but not necessarily fix any errors.
One or more plugins could not find the correct versions of the master files they depend on. Errors may occur during load or game play. Check the "Warnings.txt" file for more information.
Not able to find Foot part in BC_shoes_common_5.
Not able to find Foot part in BC_shoes_common_03.

Mlox (also doesn't seem to indicate anything related, but here it is)
Messages

Spoiler

[PATCH]
!!'MISSING(BR_Werewolf_Patch.esp)' for:
'Blasphemous Revenants.esp'
| BR_Werewolf_Patch.esp is an available optional patch for Blasphemous Revenants.
| "BR_Werewolf_Patch.esp will ensure that if you change into a werewolf in
| front of only your revenants you will not become a 'known werewolf.'
| It only works with BR revenants."
| (Ref: "BR Werewolf Patch BETA Readme.txt")
[NOTE]
> 'MWE_Combat.esp'
> 'MWE_Journal.esp'
> 'MWE_Writing.esp'
> 'MWE_Base.esp'
> 'MWE_MagickaSpells.esp'
| Ensure you are using the latest version of Morrowind Enhanced, v1.6
| http://planetelderscrolls.gamespy.com/View.php?view=Utilities.Detail&id=8
[NOTE]
> 'Enhanced Detection.esp'
| These mods require Morrowind Script Extender (MWSE) v0.9.2 or later, or MGE v3.0.3 or later.
[NOTE]
> 'Blasphemous Revenants.esp'
> 'Enhanced Summoning.esp'
| These mods require Morrowind Script Extender (MWSE) v0.9.2a or later, or MGE v3.1 or later.
[CONFLICT]
> '[SIZE 2086615 Suran_Underworld_2.5.esp]'
> [ANY
> 'MISSING(Clean Solstheim_Castle_v1.1.esp)',
> 'MISSING(BEER! Combo v1.12-03a (PR esm v2.4fix).esp)',
> 'MISSING(BEER! Combo v1.12-03a (PR esp v2.4fix).esp)',
> 'MISSING(BEER! Combo v1.12-03a.esp)',
> 'MISSING(BEER! Combo.esp)',
> 'MISSING(NoM 2.1 with BEER!.esp)',
> 'MISSING(NoM 2.12-03a with BEER! (PR esm v2.4 fix).esp)',
> 'MISSING(NoM 2.12-03a with BEER! (PR esp v2.4 fix).esp)',
> 'MISSING(NoM 2.12-03a with BEER!.esp)',
> 'MISSING(NOM 2.13.esp)',
> 'BT_Whitewolf_2_0.esp',
[PATCH]
!!'MISSING(BR_Werewolf_Patch.esp)' for:
'Blasphemous Revenants.esp'
| BR_Werewolf_Patch.esp is an available optional patch for Blasphemous Revenants.
| "BR_Werewolf_Patch.esp will ensure that if you change into a werewolf in
| front of only your revenants you will not become a 'known werewolf.'
| It only works with BR revenants."
| (Ref: "BR Werewolf Patch BETA Readme.txt")
[NOTE]
> 'MWE_Combat.esp'
> 'MWE_Journal.esp'
> 'MWE_Writing.esp'
> 'MWE_Base.esp'
> 'MWE_MagickaSpells.esp'
| Ensure you are using the latest version of Morrowind Enhanced, v1.6
| http://planetelderscrolls.gamespy.com/View.php?view=Utilities.Detail&id=8
[NOTE]
> 'Enhanced Detection.esp'
| These mods require Morrowind Script Extender (MWSE) v0.9.2 or later, or MGE v3.0.3 or later.
[NOTE]
> 'Blasphemous Revenants.esp'
> 'Enhanced Summoning.esp'
| These mods require Morrowind Script Extender (MWSE) v0.9.2a or later, or MGE v3.1 or later.
[CONFLICT]
> '[SIZE 2086615 Suran_Underworld_2.5.esp]'
> [ANY
> 'MISSING(Clean Solstheim_Castle_v1.1.esp)',
> 'MISSING(BEER! Combo v1.12-03a (PR esm v2.4fix).esp)',
> 'MISSING(BEER! Combo v1.12-03a (PR esp v2.4fix).esp)',
> 'MISSING(BEER! Combo v1.12-03a.esp)',
> 'MISSING(BEER! Combo.esp)',
> 'MISSING(NoM 2.1 with BEER!.esp)',
> 'MISSING(NoM 2.12-03a with BEER! (PR esm v2.4 fix).esp)',
> 'MISSING(NoM 2.12-03a with BEER! (PR esp v2.4 fix).esp)',
> 'MISSING(NoM 2.12-03a with BEER!.esp)',
> 'MISSING(NOM 2.13.esp)',
> 'BT_Whitewolf_2_0.esp',

Proposed Load Order:

Spoiler

_001_ Morrowind.esm
_002_ Tribunal.esm
_003_ Bloodmoon.esm
_004_ THE Facepack Compilation.esm
_005_ THE Morrowind NPC Makeover.esm
_006_ TR_Data.esm
_007_ TR_Map1.esm
_008_ TR_Map2.esm
_009_ Hilgya the Seamstress.esm
_010_ Book Rotate.esm
_011_ Texture Fix 1.8.esm
*080* Suran_Underworld_2.5.esp
*081* Theurgist.esp
*082* abotGuars.esp
*083* AshlanderTent.esp
*084* Divine_domina_part_1.esp
*085* Divine_domina_part_2.esp
*086* Divine_domina_part_3_Tribunal.esp
*087* Divine_domina_part_4.esp
*088* Divine_domina_part_5.esp
*089* Balanced Staves.ESP
_012_ Scripted_Spells.esp
_013_ Chalk30-Base.esp
_014_ The Holiday Mod.esp
_015_ HG_robe01.esp
_016_ Better Bodies.esp
_017_ Improved Inns.esp
_018_ Nymeria's Faster Walk.esp
_019_ Gothic&Regal Dresses_1.1.esp
_020_ Clean BadKarma Clothing Vendor.esp
_021_ House Raiments - Addition.esp
_022_ MWE_Base.esp
_023_ constance1_0.esp
_024_ Eyren_Robes.esp
_025_ House of Earthly Delights, Harem Style.esp
_026_ BB_Clothiers_of_Vvardenfell_v1.1.esp
_027_ Clean Aradia's Needle.esp
_028_ The Crimson Wire by Mandamus-EV1.0.esp
_029_ Cali_StarstoneOutpost.esp
_030_ BadKarma's Anjurin Chest.esp
_031_ Gothic Attire Complete v1-1.esp
_032_ sm_staves_MA + Icons.esp
_033_ Scissors & Thimbles.esp
_034_ Scissors & Thimbles II.esp
_035_ Vality's Bitter Coast Addon.esp
_036_ Enhanced Summoning.esp
_037_ Scissors & Thimbles III.esp
*091* LGNPC_NoLore_v0_83.esp
*090* Lgnpc_SN.esp
*092* LGNPC_GnaarMok_v1_10.esp
*094* LGNPC_AldVelothi_v1_20.esp
*093* LGNPC_MaarGan_v1_20.esp
*095* LGNPC_HlaOad_v1_32.esp
*096* LGNPC_Aldruhn_v1_20.esp
*097* LGNPC_Aldruhn_v1_20_suppl.esp
*098* LGNPC_Pelagiad_v1_22.esp
*099* LGNPC_TelMora_v1_20.esp
*100* LGNPC_Khuul_v2_10.esp
*101* LGNPC_VivecFQ_v2_10.esp
*102* LGNPC_SecretMasters_v1_30.esp
*103* LGNPC_VivecRedoran_v1_50.esp
_038_ BT_Whitewolf_2_0.esp
_039_ Clean Staves from Cyrodiil.esp
_040_ Hilgya the Seamstress Expansion 1.esp
_041_ Inns Rent Storage.esp
_042_ TyrMagickaRegen.ESP
_043_ unique Vos.esp
_044_ WA_Signy_Signposts(!).ESP
_045_ WA_Signy_Signposts(!)_TR.ESP
_046_ unique Dagon Fel.esp
_047_ Enhanced Detection.esp
_048_ Vurt's Grazelands Trees.ESP
_049_ Blasphemous Revenants.esp
_050_ Elemental Magicka 1.0.esp
_051_ unique Maar Gan.esp
_052_ unique Dagon Fel-Hilgya ADDON.esp
_053_ md_daedralord_staffs.ESP
_054_ Book Rotate - Tribunal v5.3.esp
_055_ Book Rotate - Bloodmoon v5.3.esp
_056_ Animated Morrowind 1.0.esp
_057_ Improved_No_Glow_v1-MW_Trib_Blood.esp
_058_ k_weather (louder sounds).esp
_059_ MWE_MagickaSpells.esp
_060_ Daedric Sorcery.esp
_061_ EDNHE.esp
_062_ Cali_StarstoneOutpost_RobeTunicPatch.esp
_063_ Oni_redwool_robes_hats_NP.esp
_064_ Improved Lockpicking.esp
_065_ Improved Open Spell Balance-LD.esp
_066_ Improved Trap Settings.esp
_067_ Balance - Character.esp
_068_ Balance - NPC Spellcasting.esp
_069_ Gameplay - Dialogue.esp
_070_ Balance - Magic Effects.esp
_071_ Balance - items.esp
_072_ Balance - game settings.esp
_073_ Balance - spells.esp
_074_ SpellFix_WGI.esp
_075_ MWE_Journal.esp
_076_ Unboarable Rieklings.esp
_077_ MWE_Writing.esp
_078_ guilds-home.esp
_079_ CM_Assassin_30.esp
_104_ LGNPC_PaxRedoran_v1_20.esp
_105_ KS_Julan_Ashlander Companion_1.3.esp
_106_ KEY_Crystal Eggs_01.esp
_107_ TheUberCrystalEggHunt.esp
_108_ Clean Akatosh.esp
_109_ Clean Arkay.esp
_110_ Clean Dibella.esp
_111_ Clean jet_gold_armor.esp
_112_ Clean Mara.esp
_113_ Clean Kynareth.esp
_114_ MWE_Combat.esp
_115_ ACE_Subtitles.esp
_116_ faster projectiles.ESP
_117_ Vurt's AI Trees Replacer.ESP
_118_ IceBradyHurdyRobeReplacerALL.esp
_119_ Better Clothes_v1.1.esp
_120_ More Better Clothes.ESP

Thanks for the fast replies! Hopefully the solution will be apparent to someone...

» Sat May 28, 2011 6:04 am

My first thought is that one of your mods messes with the Bittercup script, or the Bittercup itself. since they are unique to this cell only.
But...

i might create a similar topic in the near future, but maybe your post will help me to fix the problem. I never even heard of Mlox and i have to say it's amazing! Thanks!