Persistent CTD's when entering certain structures : Fallout 3

» Sat Feb 19, 2011 2:21 am

I made a new install yesterday and now although the game seems to work from the start when I chose alternate start the game got stuck and I had to exit with task manager.

Afterwards after I start to wander I get CTD's when I enter some mod added buildings and maybe others, I didn't test enough. For example http://www.fallout3nexus.com/downloads/file.php?id=3644 or the basemant of the Megaton House Basemant that has http://www.fallout3nexus.com/downloads/file.php?id=1434installed.

What could be the problem?

Here is my load order:

Spoiler

Active Mod Files:00  Fallout3.esm01  Anchorage.esm02  ThePitt.esm03  BrokenSteel.esm04  PointLookout.esm05  Zeta.esm06  Unofficial Fallout 3 Patch.esm  [Version 1.2.0]07  CRAFT.esm08  CALIBR.esm  [Version 1.4]09  Project Beauty.esm0A  20th Century Weapons.esm0B  FO3 Wanderers Edition - Main File.esm0C  Mart's Mutant Mod.esm0D  Companion Core.esm0E  Companion Share & Recruit.esm0F  RobCo Certified v2.esm10  Wasteland Whisperer v2.esm11  Enhanced Weather - Rain and Snow.esm12  RRCompanionVault.esm13  RRGuards.esm14  RR5MoreMales.esm15  RR5MoreFemales.esm16  DCInteriors_ComboEdition.esm17  Zumbs' Overhauled Real Time Security.esm18  tubrrCompound.esm19  Waysted_Resource_Pack.esm1A  Unofficial Fallout 3 Patch - Operation Anchorage.esp  [Version 1.2.0]1B  Unofficial Fallout 3 Patch - The Pitt.esp  [Version 1.2.0]1C  Unofficial Fallout 3 Patch - Broken Steel.esp  [Version 1.2.0]1D  Unofficial Fallout 3 Patch - Point Lookout.esp  [Version 1.2.0]1E  Unofficial Fallout 3 Patch - Mothership Zeta.esp  [Version 1.2.0]1F  DarNifiedUIF3.esp**  Project Beauty- Broken Steel.esp**  Project Beauty- Point Lookout.esp20  CASM.esp21  CRAFT - Activation Perk.esp22  CALIBRxMerchant.esp23  GalaxyNewsRadio100[M].esp24  UPP - Pack 1.esp25  UPP - Pack 2.esp26  tubRRCompound.esp27  RR_Refurbished.esp28  DCInteriors_DLC_Collectables.esp29  Megaton House and Theme Overhaul.esp2A  FO3 Wanderers Edition - Main File.esp2B  FO3 Wanderers Edition - DLC Anchorage.esp2C  FO3 Wanderers Edition - DLC The Pitt.esp2D  FO3 Wanderers Edition - DLC Broken Steel.esp2E  FO3 Wanderers Edition - DLC Point Lookout.esp2F  FO3 Wanderers Edition - DLC Mothership Zeta.esp30  FO3 Wanderers Edition - Followers Enhanced (BrokenSteel).esp++  FO3 Wanderers Edition - Optional Restore Tracers.esp++  FO3 Wanderers Edition - Project Beauty (Followers Enhanced).esp31  WeaponModKits.esp32  WeaponModKits - FWE Master Release.esp33  WeaponModKits - OperationAnchorage.esp34  WeaponModKits - ThePitt.esp35  WeaponModKits - BrokenSteel.esp36  WeaponModKits - PointLookout.esp37  WeaponModKits - Zeta.esp38  Dogmeat Leather Armor - CRAFT.esp39  Companion Core DLC Addon.esp3A  Wasteland Whisperer v2 Broken Steel Addon.esp3B  RobCo Certified v2 Zeta Addon.esp3C  Mart's Mutant Mod.esp3D  Mart's Mutant Mod - DLC Anchorage.esp3E  Mart's Mutant Mod - DLC The Pitt.esp3F  Mart's Mutant Mod - DLC Broken Steel.esp++  Mart's Mutant Mod - DLC Point Lookout.esp40  Mart's Mutant Mod - DLC Zeta.esp++  Mart's Mutant Mod - Natural Selection.esp++  Mart's Mutant Mod - Tougher Traders.esp41  Mart's Mutant Mod - Zones Respawn.esp42  Mart's Mutant Mod - FWE Master Release.esp43  Mart's Mutant Mod - Project Beauty + FWE.esp++  Mart's Mutant Mod - Master Menu Module.esp44  1PipboyPDA.esp45  Attentater's Wasteland Economy.esp46  Owned!.esp  [Version 3.0]47  dD-Larger Blood.esp48  dD-More Gore-BrokenSteel.esp49  FO3 Wanderers Edition - More Gore.esp4A  FO3 Wanderers Edition - More Gore Zeta.esp4B  FO3 Wanderers Edition - More Gore The Pitt.esp4C  FO3 Wanderers Edition - More Gore PointLookout.esp4D  TheFoundation.esp4E  TheFoundation_SinCity.esp4F  FD_Sincity_arena.esp50  Enhanced Weather - Rain and Snow in Fallout.esp51  Enhanced Weather - Weather Sounds in Interiors.esp52  Fellout-Full.esp++  Fellout-Anchorage.esp++  Fellout-BrokenSteel.esp53  Fellout-PointLookout.esp54  Fellout-Zeta.esp55  Ex Libris - PreWar Book Titles.esp56  ZORTS - Disable FWE activate.esp++  ZORTS - Enable minigames.esp++  ZORTS - Custom HP - FWE.esp++  20th Century v5 ALIVE (Vendor).esp++  20th Century v5 ALIVE (Containers).esp++  20th Century v5 ALIVE (NPC_Settler).esp++  20th Century v5 ALIVE (Vault 101).esp++  20th Century v5 ALIVE (RivetCity).esp++  20th Century v5 ALIVE (Raider).esp++  20th Century v5 ALIVE (Slaver).esp++  20th Century v5 ALIVE (Chinese Ghoul).esp++  20th Century v5 ALIVE (SuperMutant).esp++  20th Century v5 ALIVE (Talon_Regulator).esp++  20th Century v5 ALIVE (Brotherhood_Outcast).esp57  Bashed Patch, 0.esp

» Sat Feb 19, 2011 3:27 am

I made a new install yesterday and now although the game seems to work from the start when I chose alternate start the game got stuck and I had to exit with task manager.

Afterwards after I start to wander I get CTD's when I enter some mod added buildings and maybe others, I didn't test enough. For example http://www.fallout3nexus.com/downloads/file.php?id=3644 or the basemant of the Megaton House Basemant that has http://www.fallout3nexus.com/downloads/file.php?id=1434installed.

What could be the problem?

Here is my load order:

Spoiler

Active Mod Files:00  Fallout3.esm01  Anchorage.esm02  ThePitt.esm03  BrokenSteel.esm04  PointLookout.esm05  Zeta.esm06  Unofficial Fallout 3 Patch.esm  [Version 1.2.0]07  CRAFT.esm08  CALIBR.esm  [Version 1.4]09  Project Beauty.esm0A  20th Century Weapons.esm0B  FO3 Wanderers Edition - Main File.esm0C  Mart's Mutant Mod.esm0D  Companion Core.esm0E  Companion Share & Recruit.esm0F  RobCo Certified v2.esm10  Wasteland Whisperer v2.esm11  Enhanced Weather - Rain and Snow.esm12  RRCompanionVault.esm13  RRGuards.esm14  RR5MoreMales.esm15  RR5MoreFemales.esm16  DCInteriors_ComboEdition.esm17  Zumbs' Overhauled Real Time Security.esm18  tubrrCompound.esm19  Waysted_Resource_Pack.esm1A  Unofficial Fallout 3 Patch - Operation Anchorage.esp  [Version 1.2.0]1B  Unofficial Fallout 3 Patch - The Pitt.esp  [Version 1.2.0]1C  Unofficial Fallout 3 Patch - Broken Steel.esp  [Version 1.2.0]1D  Unofficial Fallout 3 Patch - Point Lookout.esp  [Version 1.2.0]1E  Unofficial Fallout 3 Patch - Mothership Zeta.esp  [Version 1.2.0]1F  DarNifiedUIF3.esp**  Project Beauty- Broken Steel.esp**  Project Beauty- Point Lookout.esp20  CASM.esp21  CRAFT - Activation Perk.esp22  CALIBRxMerchant.esp23  GalaxyNewsRadio100[M].esp24  UPP - Pack 1.esp25  UPP - Pack 2.esp26  tubRRCompound.esp27  RR_Refurbished.esp28  DCInteriors_DLC_Collectables.esp29  Megaton House and Theme Overhaul.esp2A  FO3 Wanderers Edition - Main File.esp2B  FO3 Wanderers Edition - DLC Anchorage.esp2C  FO3 Wanderers Edition - DLC The Pitt.esp2D  FO3 Wanderers Edition - DLC Broken Steel.esp2E  FO3 Wanderers Edition - DLC Point Lookout.esp2F  FO3 Wanderers Edition - DLC Mothership Zeta.esp30  FO3 Wanderers Edition - Followers Enhanced (BrokenSteel).esp++  FO3 Wanderers Edition - Optional Restore Tracers.esp++  FO3 Wanderers Edition - Project Beauty (Followers Enhanced).esp31  WeaponModKits.esp32  WeaponModKits - FWE Master Release.esp33  WeaponModKits - OperationAnchorage.esp34  WeaponModKits - ThePitt.esp35  WeaponModKits - BrokenSteel.esp36  WeaponModKits - PointLookout.esp37  WeaponModKits - Zeta.esp38  Dogmeat Leather Armor - CRAFT.esp39  Companion Core DLC Addon.esp3A  Wasteland Whisperer v2 Broken Steel Addon.esp3B  RobCo Certified v2 Zeta Addon.esp3C  Mart's Mutant Mod.esp3D  Mart's Mutant Mod - DLC Anchorage.esp3E  Mart's Mutant Mod - DLC The Pitt.esp3F  Mart's Mutant Mod - DLC Broken Steel.esp++  Mart's Mutant Mod - DLC Point Lookout.esp40  Mart's Mutant Mod - DLC Zeta.esp++  Mart's Mutant Mod - Natural Selection.esp++  Mart's Mutant Mod - Tougher Traders.esp41  Mart's Mutant Mod - Zones Respawn.esp42  Mart's Mutant Mod - FWE Master Release.esp43  Mart's Mutant Mod - Project Beauty + FWE.esp++  Mart's Mutant Mod - Master Menu Module.esp44  1PipboyPDA.esp45  Attentater's Wasteland Economy.esp46  Owned!.esp  [Version 3.0]47  dD-Larger Blood.esp48  dD-More Gore-BrokenSteel.esp49  FO3 Wanderers Edition - More Gore.esp4A  FO3 Wanderers Edition - More Gore Zeta.esp4B  FO3 Wanderers Edition - More Gore The Pitt.esp4C  FO3 Wanderers Edition - More Gore PointLookout.esp4D  TheFoundation.esp4E  TheFoundation_SinCity.esp4F  FD_Sincity_arena.esp50  Enhanced Weather - Rain and Snow in Fallout.esp51  Enhanced Weather - Weather Sounds in Interiors.esp52  Fellout-Full.esp++  Fellout-Anchorage.esp++  Fellout-BrokenSteel.esp53  Fellout-PointLookout.esp54  Fellout-Zeta.esp55  Ex Libris - PreWar Book Titles.esp56  ZORTS - Disable FWE activate.esp++  ZORTS - Enable minigames.esp++  ZORTS - Custom HP - FWE.esp++  20th Century v5 ALIVE (Vendor).esp++  20th Century v5 ALIVE (Containers).esp++  20th Century v5 ALIVE (NPC_Settler).esp++  20th Century v5 ALIVE (Vault 101).esp++  20th Century v5 ALIVE (RivetCity).esp++  20th Century v5 ALIVE (Raider).esp++  20th Century v5 ALIVE (Slaver).esp++  20th Century v5 ALIVE (Chinese Ghoul).esp++  20th Century v5 ALIVE (SuperMutant).esp++  20th Century v5 ALIVE (Talon_Regulator).esp++  20th Century v5 ALIVE (Brotherhood_Outcast).esp57  Bashed Patch, 0.esp

I can't say anything about crashes with http://www.fallout3nexus.com/downloads/file.php?id=1434. So far I wasn't able to enter the basemant of the Megaton House. BUT I had problems BIG TIME with http://www.fallout3nexus.com/downloads/file.php?id=6686, which you have installed. I had to finally remove it from my load order, and I'm using now http://www.fallout3nexus.com/downloads/file.php?id=8457 instead with no more crashing issues when entering the http://www.fallout3nexus.com/downloads/file.php?id=3644.

» Sat Feb 19, 2011 6:05 am

Thank you for the reply. It seems that truly Companion Vault Refurbished was to blame since uninstalling made the CTD in Vault 1 go away, and it seems that the CTD in the Megaton House Basemant dissapeared.

The only problem that I still see for now is that the game just freezes from time to time, and I have to exit with task manager. Do you know what might cause this?

» Sat Feb 19, 2011 9:44 am

Thank you for the reply. It seems that truly Companion Vault Refurbished was to blame since uninstalling made the CTD in Vault 1 go away, and it seems that the CTD in the Megaton House Basemant dissapeared.

The only problem that I still see for now is that the game just freezes from time to time, and I have to exit with task manager. Do you know what might cause this?

No I don't know. But I know what helped me, when I was experiencing Freezes and crashes. I used to play FO3 in Fullscreen Mode, normally at a resolution of 1289 x 800. But I had a lot of freezes (often when accessing the inventory) or crashes. Then I was reading something about, that FO3 runs much more stable in Windowed Mode, so I wanted to give this a try. There is an application called http://www.fallout3nexus.com/downloads/file.php?id=45 and this one did miracles to me. My FO3 is not crashing or freezing anymore, only when I did something obvioulsy wrong with my mod istallations and load order. And as a bonus I now can run FO3 at 1440 x 900 resolution, and I'm sure I could go even higher.
http://www.fallout3nexus.com/downloads/file.php?id=45 let's you run FO3 in window mode, but it looks as if you're running FO3 in fullscreen mode. I'll give you a short description how to use this tiny little helper. You install MaximizedWindow into your main Fallout installation folder. Before you start the game you have to set your Desktop resolution to the resolution you're runnig your game. As example, my native Desktop/Screen resolution is 1920 x 1200, but since I'm running FO3 in 1440 x 900 resolution I had to switch my desktop resolution to the same numbers. Then you have to create yourself a Batch file (Create a new text document on the desktop and give it the ending ".bat"), which will start MaximizedWindow together with Fallout.My starter batch file looks like this :

@echo off
start /d "E:\XP Progs\Games\Fallout3" MaximizedWindow.exe 5 1440 900
start /d "E:\XP Progs\Games\Fallout3" fose_loader.exe
exit

Since I'm using FOSE I have to start my game via the fose_loader.

As I said, I don't have any freezes and crashes anymore and I can run FO3 for hours.

I hope this helps. Good luck.

» Sat Feb 19, 2011 5:32 am

Thank you for the reply. It seems that truly Companion Vault Refurbished was to blame since uninstalling made the CTD in Vault 1 go away, and it seems that the CTD in the Megaton House Basemant dissapeared.

The only problem that I still see for now is that the game just freezes from time to time, and I have to exit with task manager. Do you know what might cause this?

Probably you need anticrash fix
And if you will, begin to experience crashes after location change again- you will need masterupdate
https://sites.google.com/site/fo3wanderersedition/faq

» Sat Feb 19, 2011 9:38 am

Thank you for the info. I will use master update, and will see if this solves it. If not I will also use Maximized Window.