I can't decide between Yes Man and the Legion.

I would pick Yes Man if I became the ruler of New Vegas, and my choices throughout the game would indicate whether I provided independence or oppression, but in the end everything goes on fire and Yes Man hints that he may betray you.

The Legion is interesting and iron-fisted stability.

Mr House is actually great but I never consider him as a possible favourite....odd that.

Hmm what does it say about me if I could support any of them, maybe even several of them at the same time? Anyway, I'm a combo of NCR and House, while I think Legion while undeniably effective at wasteland pacification, Don't really have a good plan to get the wastes back on the road to pre-war prosperity.

It's in the ballpark. Your anolysis of NCR is spot on and so is Mr. House but I have to disagree with you on Caesar's Legion and Yes Man.

Caesar's Legion - Remember that Caesar's Legion is based on the ideals of Roman society but before that can be started, there had to be a Rome. And Caesar's Legion has no Rome. The reasons for slavery is because they have no means of making production without those slaves as there are no citizens, only soldiers. They have to do this in order to survive. Oh and they seem to represent a military dictatorship that cares for its citizens only.

Yes Man - Yes Man may represent anarchy but only if the player allows for anarchy. Heck, depending on how the player goes about the quests, Yes Man could very well represent a republic, communism, anarchy, oligarchy, aristocracy, or a dictatorship. The dialogue at the end of Yes Man's quest line makes it assume that Yes Man may turn against you but isn't it as simple to have 100 science skill?

Lanius is reasonable enough to packup and end the New Vegas Campaign.

I kill Caesar in both of my Legion play through, one follow the example of Inculta, the other Deadsea's.

I would "ascend" Caesar so the Legion are brought under reasonable rule.

Caesar's scheme relies on a Cult of Personality based on himself, and the use of slavery and extreme terror to socially engineer a "New Man" who will adopt Caesar's artificial culture as his own. It's doomed to fail, as similar efforts have repeatedly in the past. Since he's building on nothing, and no one embraces his monoculture out of conviction, the CL will fall harder and further than many previous attempts. If the Legion somehow outlives Caesar, it probably won't outlive Lanius. House's comments on Caesar's death struck me as being quite astute....which is why I make sure to get both Caesar and Lanius in every playthrough.

Après César, le déluge!

well of course cl will eventually fall.
nothing lasts forever.
and people say that cl repeating history is a mistake, well what is ncr doing.

We're not talking about 300 years (the United States 1776-2077 RIP), or the actual Roman Empire (appx 1700 years if you include the Eastern Empire)....we're talking a generation at most, or even as little as a year if House is right about what happens if the Courier kills Caesar. His artificial monoculture is contrary to human nature....it will fail sooner rather than later. And when it does......within a few years Legion territory will be even more violent and lawless than it was when Caesar found it.



Politically, the United States has been remarkably stable....it's not a bad model for a Republic, especially since the NCR did not have to make any faustian deals over slavery to get started, like the US did. The NCR will survive Kimball and Oliver....the fact that most of it's citizens care about the Republic makes it far stronger than the CL. The history Caesar's repeating is that of the Great Dictators of the 20th Century (Mussolini, Hitler, Lenin, Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot, ect. ).

Not in Fallout time line.....remember why is there a wasteland?

I agree. In addition, they usually seem to lack a certain critical distance about wrong going things, and sticking to the firm belief the founding ideals of the NCR alone would prevent it from failing.
A wrong belief in my opinion, as folks like Kimball, Moore and Oliver are just the type of grave diggers, who made the world looking like it is today(in the FO universe, of course) ...



It is also a group attractive to those who lack individual personality and self-consience.
Clear rules, a strong incentive for all to stick to a narrow set of conventions, and harsh punishments for everyone, who's stepping a millimeter aside.
The thinking is done by others, and the own boring personality gets covered by the oppresionist mechanics of their society. A pedants dream



'Intellectual' is not quite the fitting term in my humble opinion
Technocratic would be my choice. Intellectual people spend a lot of time thinking about the individual.
Technocratic people like House and his supporters see people more as numbers than as individual beings. It's all about calculations and projections.
They are their fetish, leaving no room for the look on individual fates or needs.
The main purpose of a society is to bend itself to the will of a circle of self-proclaimed better-knowers, who decide what's supposed to be good for humanity.
Usually the best for humanity correlates with the personal ambitions of the leadership :yes:



Up and foremost, siding with Yes Man means being King and not Pawn, as all the three other choices do.
It is also the one ending available for all kinds of alignments. The idealistic do-gooder as well as the vile cut-throater.
In my couriers case, the ending for someone who symphathizes a lot with the NCR, but just thinks it needs to be saved from itself, and cut back into dimensions where it is actually able to sustain itself, and even more important, to get rid of its current leadership of hawkish military perople who seek to turn it into a dictatorship.

These are my very objective and utterly neutral comments

Please explain. In the Fallout Timeline there would be everyone you listed except for maybe Pol Pot. China is communist so there had to be a Mao. There is a wasteland because there was a war over resources and not so much political views. We could be dealing with that in a few decades. 2077 may be prophetic. Though we might not make it that long.

I view CL as North Korea. A huge cult of personality that relies on a military to maintan itself. The economy is to maintain the military so the military can maintain the cult. Or you can look at them as low tech Borg as that is what Caesar wants. He does the thinking, and the drones do what he thinks. Expand and assimilate, destroy that which cannot be assimilated.

OT-I think Col Martyr is almost spot on. If the CL had cool toys then it would have more Enclave and BoS [censored] supporting it.

North Korea is way softer than CL, and there is no slave in a communist country.

America is Fallout time line continue on the "Republican under Red Terror" character; simply put, it is stabilized by on the surface by the big bad commies, and disregarding some core value of Democracy and Republic.

Moreover, NCR is more like European colonist to wastelanders than the Continental army.

I'm still not understanding your original point.

There is a wasteland because there was a war over resources and not political ideals.

Please tell me how NK is way softer than the CL? Because from what I've seen and read it isn't. Their problem is they can't go North because of the Chinese, and they can't go South because of the US. There are slaves in a communist country. They are simply called dissidents and political prisoners. Gulags, "re-education camps", etc., are full of slaves. They work or they are tortured/killed.

The NCR is more like the US Army in the 1800s, and the wastelanders are like the native tribes of the time.

And it will be a damn good 1000+ years :cake:.

Personally I wouldn't select any of the factions. I would just return to goodsprings and nuke the dam and new vegas.

I left the bit that would get the thread locked and warning for both of us

While the war on resource is real, it is also true that the 2 superpower on the world cannot work with each other for alternative due to identity (please spare me from the whole ideal of "spare democracy and freedom" or "classless state and fair distribution base on need"); the end of "Strong Republican against Red Terror" path is only destruction and revolution, which American in our timeline manage to steer clear.

The US army in the 1800 don't conquer and pack everything valuable home, the European colonist does.

On my second playthrough, my PC ended up supporting Yes Man.
It was a tough decision for him, he had befriended many people in the NCR, but he came to the realization that the NCR just couldn't annex Vegas and continue to support it and the rest of the NCR back west. With resources running low, he made the tough decision of taking over New Vegas himself. He certainly wasn't an anarchist, in fact, he was a former secret agent for an NCR-like nation back out east and believed strongly in democracy. He knew his decision wouldn't be popular with many groups, but he did what he knew was right.

And he was totally awesome. One of my favorite playthroughs ever.

Spot on for your reasons of me joining CL and ruling vegas (for the Evuls), and another spot on for why I think House is the 'good' ending.

I did yes man playthrough and i dont like anarchy. I planned to take control of new vegas and the securitrons and sort of make myself a kinder more open minded Mr house. I certainly didnt want New Vegas decend into chaos

That was caused by a nuclear exchange with China, was it not?

Yes, while we know when the war happened (Saturday October 23rd, 2077) we don't know who fired the warheads first, China or America.

I am a capatalistic nut and a America loving patriot.

I support both the NCR and Yes Man.

Yup. But some seem to think that since the US was a Republic, and got into a nuclear war that destroyed it, that Republics are bad. I'm not really a NCR partisan...I think that being issued a bloody nose by House or Yes-Man would actually be in the NCR's best long term interests as it will force them to stop approaching expansion in the half-assed manner they have been. The Legion, however, is a dead end.

I will never do a playthrough for that tool, so do you mind sharing?

Just do eeet!

According to a terminal readout on Black Mountain, China fired first, then the US responded.