I left the bit that would get the thread locked and warning for both of us

While the war on resource is real, it is also true that the 2 superpower on the world cannot work with each other for alternative due to identity (please spare me from the whole ideal of "spare democracy and freedom" or "classless state and fair distribution base on need"); the end of "Strong Republican against Red Terror" path is only destruction and revolution, which American in our timeline manage to steer clear.

The US army in the 1800 don't conquer and pack everything valuable home, the European colonist does.

I know the Capitalist vs Communist ideology didn't help, but because of the need for resources it would not have mattered if both countries were communist or capitalist. (The USSR and China, and China and Vietnam have fought over resources/land many times.) The war still would have happened. The ideological diffence just gave them something to rally around for the fight - "Kill the Commies!" "Death to the Capitalist Dogs!". The US got over the Red Scare by replacing it with new bogie men. Currently it is radical islam. So the "path" only changes name, it is still the same path.

[I would like to know what happened to the USSR in the Fallout Timeline. I did read the Europeans and Middle East fought over resources, but nothing about the USSR or Africa.]

The US army in the 1800s did conquer and pack everything valuable home. It was the land first and foremost (got to have a big country to feel big), and what that land provided be it gold, furs, lumber or whatever. The locals either got to move away or die. The only difference between them and the Europeans was that resources didn't have to be sent back overseas to the mother country.

According to a terminal readout on Black Mountain, China fired first, then the US responded.

This is suggested and seems likely, given the repulsion of Chinese forces (well, mostly) from US soil and the subsequent invasion of China they would be most likely to launch first. The new power armour was just being mass produced when the nukes were fired right? Seems most likely the Chinese did it.

Doesn't stop the NCR being crap though, they aren't rubbish because they're a republic, they're a poor choice because they're folly to all the worst aspects of one.

OT:
I think you got it Col. Reflects my views on most of the supporters.

Yes, and if I recall, President Richardson said the boys were fighting up the Yangtze and nearing to Beijing. My personal belief is that the American forces were charging up the river, thanks to the deployment of the T-51b power armor, and as they got to close to Beijing, they launched the nukes as a last ditch effort, or at the very least it became a 'You're going down with us, America!' move.

OT: Thanks, I'm surprised that so many agree with my opinion on this. I tried as hard as possible to give a neutral and unbiased observation of the community.

The US army in the 1800s did conquer and pack everything valuable home. It was the land first and foremost (got to have a big country to feel big), and what that land provided be it gold, furs, lumber or whatever. The locals either got to move away or die. The only difference between them and the Europeans was that resources didn't have to be sent back overseas to the mother country.

Yes, and if I recall, President Richardson said the boys were fighting up the Yangtze and nearing to Beijing. My personal belief is that the American forces were charging up the river, thanks to the deployment of the T-51b power armor, and as they got to close to Beijing, they launched the nukes as a last ditch effort, or at the very least it became a 'You're going down with us, America!' move.

And Enclave is where?...

They aren't in New Vegas (barley) and (in my opinion) are the best faction for many reasons,however, I dont feel like typing a wall of text.

Yeah,I realize that. Problem is that FO3 had bad writing. Before I get off on a rant,

I still support their ideas and methods of enforcing those ideas.

For the Enclave,for America.

The Army was more or less along for the ride.......Washington would sign a treaty with the Indians saying we'd (finally) leave them alone. Then over time, civilians wanting land, or gold, or whatever would begin encroaching on Indian lands. The Indians would start fighting with the civilians to defend thier territory. Civilians would complain back to Washington that the Indians were trying to kill them, and as the MSM begin whipping up people against the Indians....Washington would remember that Indians don't vote and send in the Army. As the Army couldn't throw trespassing civilians in jail, or stand by and let the Indians kill them or drive them away...they had no real choice but to fight the Indians. It also didn't help that most Army officers of the era had commanded Regiments, Brigades, Divisions, or even entire Army Corps during the Civil War and most reverted to thier pre-war rank after the war when the Union Army was demobilized...Custer was a Major General commanding a Division at the end of the Civil War then reverted to Captain, and only made it back to Lt. Colonel at the time he was killed....if they ever wanted to get promoted again they had to make Congress happy.

In dire events, people tend to cooperate simply due to the fear of total annihilation. The Sino-Soviet war is happen in the 50s which the Cold War is yet to pick up it pace; while Sino-Viet war happens when the became frozen.

IIRC USSR decline like ours, but China form a eastern eastern bloc.

NCR seems to take whatever they can and send back to founding cities; for example, I don't see Primm taxes use on Primm.

Yes, and if I recall, President Richardson said the boys were fighting up the Yangtze and nearing to Beijing. My personal belief is that the American forces were charging up the river, thanks to the deployment of the T-51b power armor, and as they got to close to Beijing, they launched the nukes as a last ditch effort, or at the very least it became a 'You're going down with us, America!' move.

OT: Thanks, I'm surprised that so many agree with my opinion on this. I tried as hard as possible to give a neutral and unbiased observation of the community.

I don't argue what you wrote, it is correct. It doesn't change that the NCR are more like the 1800s US Army than European Colonists.

It was the same with the US and the indengenous tribes. They took and sent it home. None of the money went to where the resources came from.

Hey Colonel, your thread turned into a faction VS faction thread. Was this your cunning plan? Are you sitting back and anolyzing everyone? :biggrin:

So after being around the forums, I've come to the conclusion that the general populace and their reason why they support them.

NCR- The 'democracy' spreading throughout the Wastes, albiet slowly. Supporters of NCR are likely to be firm believers in Democractic rule of law, supporting the old world United States customs that the NCR vaguely uses for itself. Supporters are likely to be proud in the idea of pride in their nation, attempting to spread the ideals that a populace must pull together to reunite the Wasteland in a vague familiarity of the old United States.

Caesars Legion- There's seemingly two camps. Camp 1- Evil is the rule of cool. Camp 2- This camp doesn't support the idea the Legion is evil, as it is commonly assumed, do to a majority (even voiced by non legion fans) agreement the Legion is depicted as evil. The supporters here are likely to believe that yes the harsh and often barbaric punishments they inflict are extreme, but they also agree it's used for a reason. It works. What little dialogue we are given about the East, Caesars Legion fans take to heart, that under their harsh rule of law, they have forced most bandits from any lands marked under the bull. Even going so far as to protect traders marked as 'Legion friend'. They firmly believe that we must start anew, without using the Pre-War US as a basis for society.

Mr. House- This camp is the 'intellectual' camp. They prefer to use cunning or spark treaty and would rather everyone play on the level so that business may flourish. These people likely do not believe in a social cause, believing Capitalism and the seemingly Randyian ideals that Mr. House as a character represents. They believe Mr. House with his technology and genius can reignite Vegas, if not mankind, into a Pre-War glory of lights and running water. Though prefering word as their weapon, they will use the gun or the blade if it must resort to this to save their dreams.

Yes-Man/Independance- Supporting the ideals of an Anarchistic society, they will glady make the House go bust, Behead the Bear, and Brand the Bull so they can support Vegas into a self controlled city. Due to this varying in player by player philosophy, this can't be described much more.

Side note, this does not reflect every individual member here on the forum, just the majority that I've had the chance to read through their defense of their respected factions. I tried to present an unbiased look at each faction, so I havent put any favor into any one faction for this thread.

By your definition, i should be an NCR/House supporter as i am both a pro-Democracy nut and a capitalist, so... what am i?

So after being around the forums, I've come to the conclusion that the general populace and their reason why they support them.

NCR- The 'democracy' spreading throughout the Wastes, albiet slowly. Supporters of NCR are likely to be firm believers in Democractic rule of law, supporting the old world United States customs that the NCR vaguely uses for itself. Supporters are likely to be proud in the idea of pride in their nation, attempting to spread the ideals that a populace must pull together to reunite the Wasteland in a vague familiarity of the old United States.

Caesars Legion- There's seemingly two camps. Camp 1- Evil is the rule of cool. Camp 2- This camp doesn't support the idea the Legion is evil, as it is commonly assumed, do to a majority (even voiced by non legion fans) agreement the Legion is depicted as evil. The supporters here are likely to believe that yes the harsh and often barbaric punishments they inflict are extreme, but they also agree it's used for a reason. It works. What little dialogue we are given about the East, Caesars Legion fans take to heart, that under their harsh rule of law, they have forced most bandits from any lands marked under the bull. Even going so far as to protect traders marked as 'Legion friend'. They firmly believe that we must start anew, without using the Pre-War US as a basis for society.

Mr. House- This camp is the 'intellectual' camp. They prefer to use cunning or spark treaty and would rather everyone play on the level so that business may flourish. These people likely do not believe in a social cause, believing Capitalism and the seemingly Randyian ideals that Mr. House as a character represents. They believe Mr. House with his technology and genius can reignite Vegas, if not mankind, into a Pre-War glory of lights and running water. Though prefering word as their weapon, they will use the gun or the blade if it must resort to this to save their dreams.

Yes-Man/Independance- Supporting the ideals of an Anarchistic society, they will glady make the House go bust, Behead the Bear, and Brand the Bull so they can support Vegas into a self controlled city. Due to this varying in player by player philosophy, this can't be described much more.

Side note, this does not reflect every individual member here on the forum, just the majority that I've had the chance to read through their defense of their respected factions. I tried to present an unbiased look at each faction, so I havent put any favor into any one faction for this thread.

Just another one of your commie, liberal, socialist agendas. You sir, disgust me. <_<

What? I side with Mr. House, that's about as far from Commie Liberal Socialist as one can get. :mellow: