So after being around the forums, I've come to the conclusion that the general populace and their reason why they support them.

NCR- The 'democracy' spreading throughout the Wastes, albiet slowly. Supporters of NCR are likely to be firm believers in Democractic rule of law, supporting the old world United States customs that the NCR vaguely uses for itself. Supporters are likely to be proud in the idea of pride in their nation, attempting to spread the ideals that a populace must pull together to reunite the Wasteland in a vague familiarity of the old United States.

Caesars Legion- There's seemingly two camps. Camp 1- Evil is the rule of cool. Camp 2- This camp doesn't support the idea the Legion is evil, as it is commonly assumed, do to a majority (even voiced by non legion fans) agreement the Legion is depicted as evil. The supporters here are likely to believe that yes the harsh and often barbaric punishments they inflict are extreme, but they also agree it's used for a reason. It works. What little dialogue we are given about the East, Caesars Legion fans take to heart, that under their harsh rule of law, they have forced most bandits from any lands marked under the bull. Even going so far as to protect traders marked as 'Legion friend'. They firmly believe that we must start anew, without using the Pre-War US as a basis for society.

Mr. House- This camp is the 'intellectual' camp. They prefer to use cunning or spark treaty and would rather everyone play on the level so that business may flourish. These people likely do not believe in a social cause, believing Capitalism and the seemingly Randyian ideals that Mr. House as a character represents. They believe Mr. House with his technology and genius can reignite Vegas, if not mankind, into a Pre-War glory of lights and running water. Though prefering word as their weapon, they will use the gun or the blade if it must resort to this to save their dreams.

Yes-Man/Independance- Supporting the ideals of an Anarchistic society, they will glady make the House go bust, Behead the Bear, and Brand the Bull so they can support Vegas into a self controlled city. Due to this varying in player by player philosophy, this can't be described much more.

Side note, this does not reflect every individual member here on the forum, just the majority that I've had the chance to read through their defense of their respected factions. I tried to present an unbiased look at each faction, so I havent put any favor into any one faction for this thread.

By your definition, i should be an NCR/House supporter as i am both a pro-Democracy nut and a capitalist, so... what am i? A Pro-NCR House-ending player... no wait... TALON COMPANY!

-ten years down the road, the NCR becomes the Talon Company Republic-

:laugh:

Heck yeah.

I just noticed if you seriously could do that. All you'd have to do is change NCR to TCR. Trippy. :cryvaultboy:

I'm a Brotherhood supporter because I love power armor, does that count?

No, all i have to do is target the NCR senate building with Highwater Trousers and dispatch Shocktroopers to capture Kimball.

That's just the sort of elitist anolysis a dirty House supporter would write. :biggrin:



Nice one, Colonel. You managed to do that without being insulting.

Well actually, I was actually trying to find a way to express that House fans prefer intelligence without sounding like I was insulting the other factions. For me personally, I have a condescending 'high brow' intellectual opinion in terms of faction philosophy. But 'I' am not 'We' so I had to keep from portraying personal opinions of my House support as opposed to why another would support House.

Just kidding, sir. I liked the post. You were much more objective (ah, Rand again) than I could be.

For the record, I support House. Despite his questionable hiring policies.

If the game allowed the player to express their intentions regarding the governing of the Mojave, I would support Yes Man/Independent.

I pretty much felt no remorse for doing any of houses missions, which only one is arguably bad. But still. I guess it reflects my emotional distance :laugh:

Also, I agree, if I read/watched it right, the ending slides pidgeon hole it into either a peaceful anarchy or a violent one, pending your choices.

Great, I'll warn General Oliver. I'm one step ahead of you.

Yeah, pretty much. I found his concern about the BoS out of proportion to the actual threat, but assuaging his worry was... profitable.



Not to sway too far off topic, but the natives of the Mojave evoked more sympathy in me than the two armies. I really wanted to help them in a substantial way; House seemed to regard them as a labor force, at best, and heaven knows what Yes man thought -- security seemed to be his primary concern. (If he thinks at all. I'm still not sure he isn't House's secret backup plan. 'New programming routines', indeed.)

General Oliver pulling out of the Mojave? Great news for House, two steps ahead.

He'll leave Boyd in charge, 10x better than him. 12 steps ahead of you.

Well, I understand his concern. I mean, the Brotherhood isn't known for it's compromising nature.


Indeed, I honestly prefer House and his independent Vegas than a Legion/NCR Vegas. I mean, I just unlocked a bit of House dialogue I've not unlocked before in regards to the Platinum Chip, where he makes the claim that with the Chip in his hands, The Courier wouldnt recognize Vegas in ten years from it's present state. Coming from anyone else, I'd question their assurance. But House has a very proven track record.

As to Yes-Man, I just can't trust Yes-Man. If you listen to his dialogue, he states he's not incapable of refusing an order, but he never states he doesn't have the ability to cunningly plot to control Vegas, and you know, there never IS a dialogue in game to ask him if he'd betray you later on. :spotted owl:

Boyd is a Talon Company plant :disguise:

Quite a piece of work Martyr, it is rather accurate.

I simply can't trust House, as the (most of my) Courier anyways. If I was doing a Charimen/Omaretors/White Gloves playthrough maybe. But really, I can't trust someone don't talk to me face to face when it is physically possible. While I believe in Capitalism (probably not how people precept it), the "seemingly Ryanian" part really puts me off (don't make me start about how much I hate Andrew Ryan by making me killing Big Daddies).

I don't trust Yesman , nor supporter of Anarchism. I simply like "make the House go bust, Behead the Bear, and Brand the Bull". And I am certain Yesman would get rid of Courier when opportunity arise (or rahter, I believe there was House always win VIII down the road). But, but, I believe the people in New Vegas and Mojave needs more chips on their side of the table.

I just can't conscientiously go along with House after what he does to the Kings and the BoS, the two most awesome factions in all of NV.

My personal views.

NCR : They do good but at the same time they force their system upon others and give them no choice in the matter. They have a democratic view of law but they force it upon others where the pre war US did the same thing during the resource wars but before the time line fractured and split off from ours it was a different view. I do not support this view even though they do what they feel is right. The people have no say in if they want to join the NCR or not the NCR is out for land grabbing and expanding their "empire" in my eyes.

Cesars Legion : This group gets the job done but upon the backs of forced slave labor. While their actions are justified by them, slaughtering towns because they were all prosttutes/gamblers/thugs/ect is not right. NCR has the right idea with imprisoment and labor to work off their time. I cant support Cesars Legion because while it would stop NCR from expanding East forcing their beliefs and government upon those that dont choose to be a part of it , it is still wrong to support a group like this that uses violence to force people to submit to their will and do their bidding. Even if Cesars legion were to win and beat the NCR, the flawed belief system of this group will eventually lead to the Legion failing just like Rome fell in historical contexts.

Mr. House : He seems to be to be a dictator, he proclaimed power for himself and threw most of the people out of the vegas strip into what is now known as Free Side. He keeps law and order with his army of police Robots, but history is doomed to repeat itself unless you know your history and we have one well known man who had law and order kept with his army of police officals, his name was Hitler. I am weary of Mr. House and wonder if his ideals of standing up against the NCR and the Legion will result in a peaceful and great equal rights settlement. I honestly dont think he will, I think he will continue to use vegas which he now owns tomilk people of their currency to expand his own wealth. Which he blew a big chunk of that money on locating the platnum chip. His now new robot army of soldier faced upgrades just has me feeling like New Vegas will become a town with martial law.

Yesman/Independent : I would have to side with this one the most, I dont see Yes Man/Independent to be bad. I personally see it as a free Vegas where its citizens gets to choose who their leaders are and what direction they go in. If this belief believes in anarchistic ideals well then I do not support this group either.

Since I would have to side with one of the above groups would go with the lesser of all evils which is the NCR. But like the Legion, the NCR will change as they continue to step on people in the wasteland they will have a revolt on their hands. We already know the FOllowers broke away and say how they follow the NCR cleaning up the mess that NCR created with their conquest of land. I would see NCR making more and more enemies slowly and eventually going the way of the Enclave. They have only one choice in the end in this situation, they have to change how they do things and only annex settlements or land that who they called "squatters" who were there before the NCR got there would have to agree to become part of the NCR.



So in the end a quick simple footnote view on these factions are as follows.

NCR : Democratic but very agressive
Cesar Legion : Slave society and very agressive
Mr. House : Mysterious, seclusive, and very money hungry
Yes Man/Independent : govornered by the people for what they want. Or complete and utter chaos

The last one really depends on what point of view Independent Vegas would revolve around.

Well, the Kings that is avoidable depending on how you do their quest. xD

Sounds kinda spot-on.
But there's more than that to me.
If NCR could in fact handle their crap then I'd support them.
But why I support Legion is cause if NCR falls, which they will eventually, then their society will collapse.
Everything will be back to square one with raiders and ganglords and war bands again.
I support Legion because they will pick up the pieces.
Once NCR falls they will come in and clean up their mess and instill their society of fear and order to their new citizens.

So what I want is for anarchy to be gone.
And Legion is in my eyes the only faction on the west coast capable of such a feat.
I want civilization and order to be brought into the wastes, so that humanity can finally crawl out of the atomic ashes and truly begin anew, and that is; by any means necessary.

Those are some fragments of my beliefs of them.

Likewise, and counts with me.

Anyways.....I Feel good Col. that your Topic is very accurate, and very logical, and i appreciate the time and effort you put into this subject, my helmet's off to you. :thumbsup:

Honestly, my sole reason for not liking the Legion is they think we should start over from scratch, which isnt as easy as Rome could, they had trees, clean water and etc. But as I come to see it, the Legion wants to make the dam a bridge or blow it up, thats about it. Their barbaric punishments are arguably good, but their actions are to misguided by Caesars god complex. But I'd rather Caesar than Lanius as leader.

If Lanius were their leader then I'd hightail it out of there to the north with the Khans.