Amen. It's not a question of "PC is better than console" or "console is better than PC", it's the fact that you presented your argument in such a cohesive, structured, and mature manner that I haven't seen any other console-loving fan demonstrate on this thread.


Just to clarify, are you talking about DrMaple or Myself?

We can't mature as a community because video games target children. Parents don't monitor what their kids do, so they can then troll forums all day acting however they wish to. Most kids are smarter than their parents(when it comes to technology) and know how to delete cache files and history.

Beyond that, PC gamers fall even more so in to the category. No offense to the normal pc gamers of the world, i used to be one, but a good portion of PC gamers are either children or losers ages 18-24. It's a terrible truth but you know i'm right.

Amen. It's not a question of "PC is better than console" or "console is better than PC", it's the fact that you presented your argument in such a cohesive, structured, and mature manner that I haven't seen any other console-loving fan demonstrate on this thread.


Just to clarify, are you talking about DrMaple or Myself?

Obviously not you as your post was just bashing mine.

Beyond that, PC gamers fall even more so in to the category. No offense to the normal pc gamers of the world, i used to be one, but a good portion of PC gamers are either children or losers ages 18-24. It's a terrible truth but you know i'm right.

I laughed so hard at this.

Amen. It's not a question of "PC is better than console" or "console is better than PC", it's the fact that you presented your argument in such a cohesive, structured, and mature manner that I haven't seen any other console-loving fan demonstrate on this thread.


Just to clarify, are you talking about DrMaple or Myself?

Obviously not you as your post was just bashing mine.

... I'm not supporting anyone per se. Abstention on my end. Though I'll admit I prefer PC over console gaming any day. Especially with NVIDIA 3D Vision on a 2560 x 1600 resolution 90" widescreen projector. The XBOX360 can barely squeak out 1920 x 1080 and that's on upscale from low-res (at the very most, medium-res) shaders and texture packs. The DirectX 9 limitation baffles me as to why console gamers will defend their prized instruments.

In the end, it comes down to personal preference. If you like consoles, great. If you like PC's, great. The fact that both of us consumers are clashing is just... Pointless. What are you trying to accomplish here? Get CryTek's attention in hopes that consoles will win, or PC's will win, at some tiny faceted aspect of a game? So what if consoles don't get dedicated servers? So what if they do? So what if PC's don't have dedicated servers?

If you want change, buy some shares of EA (which financially pushes CryTek) like I did. I own part of the company. Do you? AND YOU WANT TO CHANGE SOMETHING?

Now, from a business standpoint, the PC gamer is more likely to have the funds to purchase stock. The average console gamer I know is unemployed or works minimum wage. So they probably don't even have the $4000 to initiate their first basic stock transaction.

But anyway, digressing. If you want change, get some money first. No pun intended.

Amen. It's not a question of "PC is better than console" or "console is better than PC", it's the fact that you presented your argument in such a cohesive, structured, and mature manner that I haven't seen any other console-loving fan demonstrate on this thread.



Just to clarify, are you talking about DrMaple or Myself?

Obviously not you as your post was just bashing mine.



And isn't your post just bashing all Console gamers, are you not being consistently negative? You believe PC gaming to be the only real gaming and everyone else is a child. You have demonstrated a fundemental lack of maturity by posting here in the manner you have.

And you demonstrate that once again with the assumption you make on someone else's behalf, the last sentence of neilthecellist's post does essentially appear to state that he hasn't seen any other console-fan make mature reasoned posts, are you a console fan? I could have sworn you came here as "PC Gamer" to rip on "Console Gamers" not to build a mature dialouge between the 2 systems.....

Now, from a business standpoint, the PC gamer is more likely to have the funds to purchase stock. The average console gamer I know is unemployed or works minimum wage. So they probably don't even have the $4000 to initiate their first basic stock transaction.

But anyway, digressing. If you want change, get some money first. No pun intended.


I understand where you are coming from, and will admit it is far more likely to find people under the age of 18 on consoles, but that does not mean all of us are broke teens, some of us have good jobs that we work hard at and the generalisations don't draw the 2 communities together. Only in working together are we going to, as consumers, force any change upon the industry at large. In-fighting between systems and fanboys does nothing to build rapport between the diverse aspects of the community.

Now can we please take this to a new thread so that this Petetion is not diluted by rants that only limit the effectiveness of it's intention. It was never intended as a Discussion topic, if you want I will start a thread specifically to discuss to difference in oppinions of the 2 systems, so that we can all continue this.

thank you - MullPig

You raise some good points. But really, who doesn't prefer pc gaming over consoles? I mean really. Better graphics, better everything. The KB and mouse input is so far beyond anolog sticks that it took me like 3 years to learn how to aim with the sticks and I still hate them.

It comes down to people not wanting to sit at a desk staring at a monitor for hours. I'd much rather sit on the couch or lay in my bed while playing. You know how hard it is to sit upright in a computer chair gaming after a hard days work and 12 beers. Please, give me my **** sticks and a couch and I'm good.

I was curious tho... explain something to me. Why do PC users need dedicated servers? I've never played a PC game with out them. I always owned a server for counter-strike. We bought them from third party hosting companies like gamedaemons(assuming they still exist). Since when has PC gaming had P2P hosting? That one is new to me and I can't believe as PC gamers you would even play a game that didn't allow third party hosting companies. I'd boycott the **** out of that whole situation. That's just me tho :/

You raise some good points. But really, who doesn't prefer pc gaming over consoles? I mean really. Better graphics, better everything. The KB and mouse input is so far beyond anolog sticks that it took me like 3 years to learn how to aim with the sticks and I still hate them.

It comes down to people not wanting to sit at a desk staring at a monitor for hours. I'd much rather sit on the couch or lay in my bed while playing. You know how hard it is to sit upright in a computer chair gaming after a hard days work and 12 beers. Please, give me my **** sticks and a couch and I'm good.

I was curious tho... explain something to me. Why do PC users need dedicated servers? I've never played a PC game with out them. I always owned a server for counter-strike. We bought them from third party hosting companies like gamedaemons(assuming they still exist). Since when has PC gaming had P2P hosting? That one is new to me and I can't believe as PC gamers you would even play a game that didn't allow third party hosting companies. I'd boycott the **** out of that whole situation. That's just me tho :/

Modern.Warfare.2.

OK to Start OFF WIth , UK 360 Version Sold more than PS3 Then LASTLY on PC.
http://www.computerandvideogames.com/295569/news/crysis-2-uk-sales-dominated-by-xbox-360-version/
"The Xbox 360 version of the chart-topping Crysis 2 accounted for 57 percent of total sales over the game's first weekend at UK retail, according to data from GfK-ChartTrack.

PS3 sales accounted for 29 percent of the total and PC sales 14 percent, the retail monitor said today."

2nD Thing in EUROPE PC Games Cost LESS Than Console Games, SInce Crytek is European live with it and Accept we Spent More.
Gamestop Germany Look @ The Prices U n00bz :
http://www.gamestop.de/core/common/default.aspx?quickSearch=crysis%202

Crysis 2 Limited Edition PC = €54.99
Crysis 2 Limited Edition XBOX & PS3 = € 69.99
LET ME PUT IT THIS WAY:) €69.99 - €54.99 = €15.00 Difference from Console sale price compared to PC.
Learn Your Maths n00bz:D

3rD Thing WTF R U 455H0LEZ Doing on a 360 Forum? This is About Consoles getting Dedicated Servers, U Already have yours and did Spend Less. So go CRAWL Back to your PC Forum B!TCHEZ:D
Funny I was Expecting PC PU55!EZ to Try a Little harder and be more capable of providing information, Like I Provided the FACTZ, U Lose B!TCHEZ Go CRY on your PC Forum along with the 14% which got the game for PC, We Had 57% Sales of the same title on XBOX in the UK Alone:) Come back with FACTS next time instead of BULLSH!T:)

CRY ME A RIVER PC FAN BOYZ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2AvjzR9GRhs

Peac3

TAKE THE RANTING SOME WHERE ELSE - THIS THREAD IS TO BUILD SUPPORT FOR DEDICATED SERVERS FOR XBOX.

IF YOU WANT TO RANT, SOOK, COMPLAIN, ARGUE AND JUST GENERALLY LOOK LIKE DRUNKEN TWELVE YEARS OLD IMPRESSED WITH THEIR ABILITIES TO SP33K L337 THEN START A NEW THREAD - THIS HAS NOW GONE ON FOR 3 AND A HALF PAGES AND IT IS DILUTING THE THREADS INTENDED PURPOSE.

IF YOU CANNOT UNDERSTAND THAT CONCEPT THEN DO NOT POST HERE - START ANOTHER CLONE THREAD ABOUT WHAT YOU WANT TO COMPLAIN ABOUT OR PLEASE GET OVER IT.

OK to Start OFF WIth , UK 360 Version Sold more than PS3 Then LASTLY on PC.
http://www.computerandvideogames.com/295569/news/crysis-2-uk-sales-dominated-by-xbox-360-version/
"The Xbox 360 version of the chart-topping Crysis 2 accounted for 57 percent of total sales over the game's first weekend at UK retail, according to data from GfK-ChartTrack.

PS3 sales accounted for 29 percent of the total and PC sales 14 percent, the retail monitor said today."

2nD Thing in EUROPE PC Games Cost LESS Than Console Games, SInce Crytek is European live with it and Accept we Spent More.
Gamestop Germany Look @ The Prices U n00bz :
http://www.gamestop.de/core/common/default.aspx?quickSearch=crysis%202

Crysis 2 Limited Edition PC = €54.99
Crysis 2 Limited Edition XBOX & PS3 = € 69.99
LET ME PUT IT THIS WAY:) €69.99 - €54.99 = €15.00 Difference from Console sale price compared to PC.
Learn Your Maths n00bz:D

3rD Thing WTF R U 455H0LEZ Doing on a 360 Forum? This is About Consoles getting Dedicated Servers, U Already have yours and did Spend Less. So go CRAWL Back to your PC Forum B!TCHEZ:D
Funny I was Expecting PC PU55!EZ to Try a Little harder and be more capable of providing information, Like I Provided the FACTZ, U Lose B!TCHEZ Go CRY on your PC Forum along with the 14% which got the game for PC, We Had 57% Sales of the same title on XBOX in the UK Alone:) Come back with FACTS next time instead of BULLSH!T:)

CRY ME A RIVER PC FAN BOYZ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2AvjzR9GRhs

Peac3

You are the biggest troll I've ever seen.

Steam never releases sales figures so no one truly knows how many copies sold on PC.

Also, Consoles are far more underpowered than PCs and PC games always get better support, so I don't understand how anyone could think Consoles are better.

This thread is dumb. Console games can't support Dedicated Servers. NO CONSOLE GAMES HAVE DEDICATED SERVERS. GFWL doesn't support them. Being able to select your region is not "dedicated servers". If you want to choose what server to join, go buy Crysis 2 on the PC.

DrMaple - Could you Please IGNORE NomaDz and his attempts to troll and bait like a petulent child.

Even console gamers dislike this Cretin, if you must, start a seperate thread about his obvious idiocy, I will even come and agree with you about how gamers like him lower the credibilty of ALL gamers and hamper any effort to develop a mature community.

The agruements, rants and back-chatting are not this threads intended purpose. I have stated that many, many times. Is it honestly that hard a concept to grasp - Leave this thread to the Gamers that what to sign their support for dedicated servers.

Thank you - MullPig

You missed the part where GFWL doesn't support Dedicated Servers so it's impossible to get it. No games for consoles have Dedicated Servers. Choosing a region to play in does not constitute as a Dedicated Server.

OK to Start OFF WIth , UK 360 Version Sold more than PS3 Then LASTLY on PC.
http://www.computerandvideogames.com/295569/news/crysis-2-uk-sales-dominated-by-xbox-360-version/
"The Xbox 360 version of the chart-topping Crysis 2 accounted for 57 percent of total sales over the game's first weekend at UK retail, according to data from GfK-ChartTrack.

PS3 sales accounted for 29 percent of the total and PC sales 14 percent, the retail monitor said today."

2nD Thing in EUROPE PC Games Cost LESS Than Console Games, SInce Crytek is European live with it and Accept we Spent More.
Gamestop Germany Look @ The Prices U n00bz :
http://www.gamestop.de/core/common/default.aspx?quickSearch=crysis%202

Crysis 2 Limited Edition PC = €54.99
Crysis 2 Limited Edition XBOX & PS3 = € 69.99
LET ME PUT IT THIS WAY:) €69.99 - €54.99 = €15.00 Difference from Console sale price compared to PC.
Learn Your Maths n00bz:D

3rD Thing WTF R U 455H0LEZ Doing on a 360 Forum? This is About Consoles getting Dedicated Servers, U Already have yours and did Spend Less. So go CRAWL Back to your PC Forum B!TCHEZ:D
Funny I was Expecting PC PU55!EZ to Try a Little harder and be more capable of providing information, Like I Provided the FACTZ, U Lose B!TCHEZ Go CRY on your PC Forum along with the 14% which got the game for PC, We Had 57% Sales of the same title on XBOX in the UK Alone:) Come back with FACTS next time instead of BULLSH!T:)

CRY ME A RIVER PC FAN BOYZ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2AvjzR9GRhs

Peac3


Here http://www.lazygamer.net/xbox-360s-crysis-2-sales-completely-obliterate-ps3-and-pc/ they say PS3 sold less as PC.

Also Console-games are not more expensive, probably they are even cheaper. You forget that when you buy the game you are also paying for the console (what you did not do when you both your console) thats why the total cost are higher but the cost for the game itself is the same or less.

And yeah console-games overall sell better. That’s the whole problem. Consoles are for the masses and most console-players don't care that much about quality. (no offense but if they did they would of cource not buy a console.). It's just like cheap cars sell better then expensive cars, even thow they are of a lesser quality, then again without the expensive cars hyping a brand eventually the lesser cars will also sell less. So if the PC-version of a game svcks the next console-version will (in most cases) also sell less. If Crysis 1 would have been on the PC like Crysis 2 is now then there would be way less XBOX sales.
So part of console sales are because of the PC-game.
To bad most game-developers don't get this and try to reach the masses and so destroying most games. Another good example of this is the new Wolfenstein. Created for the masses and both by nobody. If they would have gone for quality then it would have been both by the masses.

I have no problem with consoles but it's just to bad that game-developers make console-based games that are of a lower quality.

Right, so BF having Dedicated servers is just an outright fabrication right? And that the Dedicated servers that were trialed in GoW2 as a test for GoW3 where just entirely fake, yes?

And that Internode, an Australian ISP, provides dedicated servers for it's customers as part of a deal with Microsoft is a blantant lie from both companies, is that correct?

Go back to the PC Forums to Troll - We have TOO many trolls in the Xbox forum as it is. So get off your high horse, soap box or what ever sense of entitlement you are standing tall on at the moment, and just get over it.

I are signed

Right, so BF having Dedicated servers is just an outright fabrication right? And that the Dedicated servers that were trialed in GoW2 as a test for GoW3 where just entirely fake, yes?

And that Internode, an Australian ISP, provides dedicated servers for it's customers as part of a deal with Microsoft is a blantant lie from both companies, is that correct?

OK to Start OFF WIth , UK 360 Version Sold more than PS3 Then LASTLY on PC.
http://www.computerandvideogames.com/295569/news/crysis-2-uk-sales-dominated-by-xbox-360-version/
"The Xbox 360 version of the chart-topping Crysis 2 accounted for 57 percent of total sales over the game's first weekend at UK retail, according to data from GfK-ChartTrack.

PS3 sales accounted for 29 percent of the total and PC sales 14 percent, the retail monitor said today."

2nD Thing in EUROPE PC Games Cost LESS Than Console Games, SInce Crytek is European live with it and Accept we Spent More.
Gamestop Germany Look @ The Prices U n00bz :
http://www.gamestop.de/core/common/default.aspx?quickSearch=crysis%202

Crysis 2 Limited Edition PC = €54.99
Crysis 2 Limited Edition XBOX & PS3 = € 69.99
LET ME PUT IT THIS WAY:) €69.99 - €54.99 = €15.00 Difference from Console sale price compared to PC.
Learn Your Maths n00bz:D

3rD Thing WTF R U 455H0LEZ Doing on a 360 Forum? This is About Consoles getting Dedicated Servers, U Already have yours and did Spend Less. So go CRAWL Back to your PC Forum B!TCHEZ:D
Funny I was Expecting PC PU55!EZ to Try a Little harder and be more capable of providing information, Like I Provided the FACTZ, U Lose B!TCHEZ Go CRY on your PC Forum along with the 14% which got the game for PC, We Had 57% Sales of the same title on XBOX in the UK Alone:) Come back with FACTS next time instead of BULLSH!T:)

CRY ME A RIVER PC FAN BOYZ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2AvjzR9GRhs

Peac3

You are the biggest troll I've ever seen.

Steam never releases sales figures so no one truly knows how many copies sold on PC.

Also, Consoles are far more underpowered than PCs and PC games always get better support, so I don't understand how anyone could think Consoles are better.

This thread is dumb. Console games can't support Dedicated Servers. NO CONSOLE GAMES HAVE DEDICATED SERVERS. GFWL doesn't support them. Being able to select your region is not "dedicated servers". If you want to choose what server to join, go buy Crysis 2 on the PC.

lol your so clueless.

You missed the part where GFWL doesn't support Dedicated Servers so it's impossible to get it. No games for consoles have Dedicated Servers. Choosing a region to play in does not constitute as a Dedicated Server.
No Dedicated Servers on Console Gamez? O'Rly , so R U Just Stupid or do U ONLY live in your motherz basemant?
Well U R Very WRONG n00b, BF BC2 Has Dedicated Servers for PS3 and Xbox, BF Vietnam (Which is an EXPANSION) Also has Dedicated Servers, KZ3 Has Dedicated Servers and Regional Server Selection, MAG Also has Dedicated Servers, Homefront Has Dedicated Servers.
Like I said n00b go crawl back to your PC Forum U R Rubish Come back with Facts Not Fiction.

Peac3

We all payed the same price for the game so we are all entitled to the same thing.

Unless someone else didn't pay ￡40 for the 360 copy?

All platforms should have the same treatment, none of this 60-40 ****.

What an utter trainwreck of a thread.

This isnt about what is better, a ￡150 Xbox or a ￡1500 PC, its about the need for dedicated servers in the Xbox version.

Yes, its true that the original Crysis was a PC exclusive, but this thread is about Crysis 2, a different game with a different engine. They are not one and the same. They are seperate entities.

Crytek wanted a multifromat release because it costs alot of money to develop a game like Crysis, and they felt that the PC market was not large enough to make enough money to warrant the development costs. Whether that is because of rampant piracy (I believe the original Crysis was one of the most pirated games of all time on PC, correct me if I am wrong) or the dwindling PC market, I dont know.

What I do know is that more people own Xbox and PS3 than people own PC's powerfull enough to run Crysis. A bigger installed user base on a system on which the biggest selling games are all FPS's. Crytek would be stupid not to release a console game. They will make more money. This is a business, not a charity.

OMG you n00bs use control pads... Us cultured PC gamers use mouse and keyboards... We are teh awesomes...

All the while flaming a thread about the console version of the game... Good going guys. Way to show how much better PC gaming community is than console...

PC GAMER, Xbox GAMER, PS3 GAMER.... Hmm... GAMERS.

We are all one and the same. Some of us choose to play on PC, some choose Xbox/PS3. It doesnt matter. Its the same game. We should all be banding together and asking Crytek for what we want... Instead we seem to be a fractured mess of trolls. This achieves nothing.

YEs, the PC version of the game is superior to the console versions... So what? Be happy with that. If you have an expensive gaming rig, you can run Crysis 'The way it was intended to be played'. Why flame console players?

You should be happy that more people are experiencing your awesome PC games and giving more money to the awesome companies that develop them. The more money Crytek make, the better their games will be in the future. This can only be good for the PC market.

PC Company makes lots of money on consoles, continues to support PC with said money. Surely a good thing, no?

What an utter trainwreck of a thread.

This isnt about what is better, a ￡150 Xbox or a ￡1500 PC, its about the need for dedicated servers in the Xbox version.

Yes, its true that the original Crysis was a PC exclusive, but this thread is about Crysis 2, a different game with a different engine. They are not one and the same. They are seperate entities.

Crytek wanted a multifromat release because it costs alot of money to develop a game like Crysis, and they felt that the PC market was not large enough to make enough money to warrant the development costs. Whether that is because of rampant piracy (I believe the original Crysis was one of the most pirated games of all time on PC, correct me if I am wrong) or the dwindling PC market, I dont know.

What I do know is that more people own Xbox and PS3 than people own PC's powerfull enough to run Crysis. A bigger installed user base on a system on which the biggest selling games are all FPS's. Crytek would be stupid not to release a console game. They will make more money. This is a business, not a charity.

OMG you n00bs use control pads... Us cultured PC gamers use mouse and keyboards... We are teh awesomes...

All the while flaming a thread about the console version of the game... Good going guys. Way to show how much better PC gaming community is than console...

PC GAMER, Xbox GAMER, PS3 GAMER.... Hmm... GAMERS.

We are all one and the same. Some of us choose to play on PC, some choose Xbox/PS3. It doesnt matter. Its the same game. We should all be banding together and asking Crytek for what we want... Instead we seem to be a fractured mess of trolls. This achieves nothing.

YEs, the PC version of the game is superior to the console versions... So what? Be happy with that. If you have an expensive gaming rig, you can run Crysis 'The way it was intended to be played'. Why flame console players?

You should be happy that more people are experiencing your awesome PC games and giving more money to the awesome companies that develop them. The more money Crytek make, the better their games will be in the future. This can only be good for the PC market.

PC Company makes lots of money on consoles, continues to support PC with said money. Surely a good thing, no?

Exactly and what a nice way to put it It's About DEDICATED Servers on Console Not Which is Better and yes it is True with a Gaming PC this game runs and looks better but this has NOTHING to do with this Topic, what has to do with this topic is us on Console having Dedicated servers:)

Peac3

We all payed the same price for the game so we are all entitled to the same thing.

Unless someone else didn't pay ￡40 for the 360 copy?

All platforms should have the same treatment, none of this 60-40 ****.

True and U R Lucky that in the U.S All Platforms of the game cost exactly the same, whereas in Europe this just isn't the case.
As the man stated "...we are all entitled to the same thing."

Peac3

Having dedicated server would be AMAZING, but where would the money come from to:
a. hire staff in create the server environment
b. hire staff to build the physical servers.
c. hire staff to monitor the servers
d. pay for the server hardware
e. pay for the data center rent

At the present moment, Kaos has the initial money that we provided for the purchase of the game. I assume that most of this will goto paying for wages and infrastructure (with most likely a chunk of it for profit!).

I would only guess then that to make it a good business opportunity for Kaos, they would have to regularly release DLC to pay for the ongoing costs or charge a monthly fee.

Would you guys complain if you had to pay monthly for dedicated servers?

Having dedicated server would be AMAZING, but where would the money come from to:
a. hire staff in create the server environment
b. hire staff to build the physical servers.
c. hire staff to monitor the servers
d. pay for the server hardware
e. pay for the data center rent

At the present moment, Kaos has the initial money that we provided for the purchase of the game. I assume that most of this will goto paying for wages and infrastructure (with most likely a chunk of it for profit!).

I would only guess then that to make it a good business opportunity for Kaos, they would have to regularly release DLC to pay for the ongoing costs or charge a monthly fee.

Would you guys complain if you had to pay monthly for dedicated servers?

From what i know those on PC don't pay a monthly fee to have dedicated servers for Crysis 2, so Rly I don't see why we should especially since those which got the game in Europe paid more by @ least €15 compared to the PC price. Yez DLC would be the best solution, Yez I would even pay a FEE so long as I know that all other formats pay a Fee and we have LESS than 30ms, We pay for Internet so personally I would expect us to pay less since we already pay for Xbox Live whereas PC and PS3 Users only pay for internet, unless a game was a massive multiplayer online game then we would ALL pay:) Then again Ask yourself why MAG is on Dedicated Servers and there is no monthly fee, ask yourself why BC2 is on Dedicated servers and there is no monthly fee, ask yourself why BC-Vietnam which is ONLY an Expansion is on Dedicated servers and there is no monthly fee, Ask yourself why KZ3 is on dedicated servers and there is no monthly fee, Ask yourself why Homefront is on dedicated servers and there is no monthly fee - All those titles on Console have FREE Dedicated Servers. - Get Da Picture:D

Peac3