Phylogenetics

Post » Fri Sep 02, 2011 10:13 pm

http://img97.imageshack.us/img97/9691/racetree.png

Key:
  • Black: Currently living races.
  • Red: Extinct races.
  • Gray: Races which evolved into other races.


Notes:
  • "Nedic Peoples" includes Nedes, Kothri, and all other manish races indigenous to Tamriel.
  • Akaviri races have been excluded for lack of information about them, as have Sload, Imga, Dreugh, and others.
  • "Ehlnofey" are Elven races on Aldmeris/at the convention. "Aldmer" are Elven races originating in Summurset.

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Guy Pearce
 
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Post » Fri Sep 02, 2011 6:10 pm

I thought the orsimer were aldmer before being transformed.

Otherwise :thumbsup:
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Post » Fri Sep 02, 2011 5:10 pm

I thought the Bretons were Nedes + Direni.

I'm also not sure where to place Khajiit and Bosmer. Words of the Clan Mother describes a time before there were Earthbones so the Khajiit split of around the same time as the Old Elhnofey and Wandering Elhnofey. That the Elves created by Y'ffre are then all Bosmer I'd atribute to localality.
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Brooke Turner
 
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Post » Fri Sep 02, 2011 7:06 pm

nvm :facepalm:
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Jonathan Windmon
 
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Post » Fri Sep 02, 2011 3:52 pm

I thought the orsimer were aldmer before being transformed.Otherwise :thumbsup:

Looks like you're right, fixed.

I thought the Bretons were Nedes + Direni. I'm also not sure where to place Khajiit and Bosmer. Words of the Clan Mother describes a time before there were Earthbones so the Khajiit split of around the same time as the Old Elhnofey and Wandering Elhnofey. That the Elves created by Y'ffre are then all Bosmer I'd atribute to localality.

PGE3 does say Nedes, but PGE1 has them as descendants of Nords captured as Saarthal. I'll pencil them as Nords+Nedes+Direnni?
So the Khajiit are a branch of their own, or are they a separate branch of the O.E. tree?

Graph updated to include Hellmouth's edit and the recent revelation about Falmer.
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Post » Fri Sep 02, 2011 8:15 am

I am not sure if Ayleids should be marked as extinct, sure their culture is no more, but some of their descendants live on as wild elves and some interbreeded with bosmer.
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Post » Fri Sep 02, 2011 9:48 am

Aren't the Direnni just a family? http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:A_History_of_Daggerfall
And I thought Bretons were the result of intermingling elves and Nedes. http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Frontier,_Conquest (That book also mentions Atmorans as simply being Nedes...)

Pretty cool, though :D
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Post » Fri Sep 02, 2011 11:39 am

I am not sure if Ayleids should be marked as extinct, sure their culture is no more, but some of their descendants live on as wild elves and some interbreeded with bosmer.

Culture is the most important factor here, since the races don't vary in appearance all that much. I've compromised by leaving the Ayleids (as in the Heartland High Elves) extinct, but adding a branch onto them for Wild Elves (modern "Ayleids," which do not share their ancestor's culture).

Aren't the Direnni just a family? http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:A_History_of_Daggerfall
And I thought Bretons were the result of intermingling elves and Nedes. http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Frontier,_Conquest (That book also mentions Atmorans as simply being Nedes...)

I'm using Direnni to describe the branch of elves that stayed around Highrock after the convention. I'm sure there were more than just that one family, but we don't have a better name for them.

Atmorans are from Atmora. Nedes are the natives of Tamriel. Some of the older lore calls all Merethic Era men (incl. Nords who came over before 1E68) "Nedes," but this isn't correct in the modern view of things.

Updated graph up.
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Post » Fri Sep 02, 2011 9:10 am

Aren't the Direnni just a family? http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:A_History_of_Daggerfall
And I thought Bretons were the result of intermingling elves and Nedes. http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Frontier,_Conquest (That book also mentions Atmorans as simply being Nedes...)

Pretty cool, though :D


More like a Dynasty.
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Post » Fri Sep 02, 2011 5:25 pm

Atmorans are from Atmora. Nedes are the natives of Tamriel. Some of the older lore calls all Merethic Era men (incl. Nords who came over before 1E68) "Nedes," but this isn't correct in the modern view of things.

Agreed. However, why are Nedes Wandering Elhnofey, if they are from Tamriel originally? I've heard "All life started in Tamriel", but did the Nedes come from Atmora long before the Nords?
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Post » Sat Sep 03, 2011 12:16 am

Wandering Ehlnofey is just a catch-all term for human progenitors, hence I put it into quotes. The annuad ain't the most literal text ever. The Nords themselves started out on Tamriel (notice the prominence of High Hrothgar in their mythos), and moved to Atmora later - but still waaaay in the beginning of the Dawn, when time was confusing and contradictory.
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Post » Fri Sep 02, 2011 5:52 pm

Thanks Lady N, that's even better than I'd hoped!
By the way, what's the "recent revelation about the Falmer" you mentioned?
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Post » Fri Sep 02, 2011 9:46 pm

I like it, good job.

Concerning the Falmer, if they are the creatures in the mystery pic, what does that mean for the Ice Tribes? They appear to be elves of some sort, do we know anything about them besides the attack at Dawnstar? Should they be included here, or is it because we know nothing that they were excluded?
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Post » Fri Sep 02, 2011 3:34 pm

By the way, what's the "recent revelation about the Falmer" you mentioned?

That they aren't an extinct race.

Concerning the Falmer, if they are the creatures in the mystery pic, what does that mean for the Ice Tribes? They appear to be elves of some sort, do we know anything about them besides the attack at Dawnstar? Should they be included here, or is it because we know nothing that they were excluded?

Their only mention is in Dawnstar, so yes, lack of information. I would wager that they too are Falmer, either a different subrace or simply a different design. They could also be an unrelated creature. We simply don't know enough to place them anywhere with any accuracy.
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Post » Fri Sep 02, 2011 4:04 pm

I would make two suggestions:
1. Have the Hist level with the Ehlnofey, with a longer line to the Argonians.
2. Don't grey out the Chimer. According to the Nu-Mantia Intercept, they're still around.
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Post » Fri Sep 02, 2011 4:38 pm

Forgive my ignorance, but I'm confused: hasn't the future predicted in Nu-Mantia been changed? What I mean to say is, does it still count?
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Post » Fri Sep 02, 2011 5:10 pm

That they aren't an extinct race.

Oh really? How'd we find that out? Is this something related to Skyrim that I've missed?
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Charles Weber
 
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Post » Fri Sep 02, 2011 9:08 pm

Here you go the2crow

http://www.gamesas.com/index.php?/topic/1226737-falmer-confirmed/
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Post » Fri Sep 02, 2011 7:57 pm

Muchas gracias, Fiore.
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