"Piracy continues to damage the PC packaged goods market and the PC development community."

While I do agree with that statement, as many people who download things will never buy them (I've done this from time to time, but I've always bought what I feel will give me the best personal gaming experience for my money - DoW, DoW2, HL2, etc... I don't have unlimited funds or the greatest paying job in the world, plus I can't really return PC games to a common retailer... right?), does that statement include console piracy as well? There's no doubt that console piracy also plays a significant hand in things.

Yeah, I know that modding a console was (ps3)/is (xbox360) a bit more involved than downloading a disc verification crack from various websites, but the fact still remains that plenty of people illicitly download games for their gaming consoles and well, it seems a bit ?unfair? that a PC release is singled out like this.

I like what the.... errr.... "Cryteam" has done with their particular style. Farcry was cool, Crysis was OMGWTFAWESOME and I fully expect Crysis2 to be more of the same, but with more 'splosions. I fully intend to buy this new game. I just don't like how things are turning out in the overall feel of things. Hence, this comment (not mine) from Kotaku.

"From what I gather, it's a sad departure from the first game, and in many ways more "consolized." The various individuals noted that supplementary features such as prone and leaning are noticeably absent. The way the nanosuit functions they say is not as it was in the first game. They also expressed disappointment at not being able to minutely change graphics options. They were only allowed to change the overall settings. And no AA? Must be cause its the beta. I couldn't see this game without AA."

I'm sorry, but the rest of the game better be a-FREAKING-mazing to make up for the initial lack of these things. I'm a PC gamer first when it comes down to it and customization options like these are what make PC games stand out from the crowd. And consolized? Sure, it'll be cheaper to dev for a fixed system like a console first and port something over, but come on. The PC games that you're known for are what really gave you the reputation that you have and now the PC games aren't the primary focus? DICE has blatantly said that the PC version of BF3 is the version they're putting the most effort into and THEN they're focusing on the console versions. That's how it should be done, in my opinion. Especially when the PC market gave you your start (*coughEPICGAMEScough*). This is a pretty big reason why many people are jumping ship and just copying your product from another person's computer or outright not bothering with them. When features that were standard are taken away, people are going to be pretty upset. When the overall feel of something is changed and/or dumbed down, people are going to be pretty upset.

I want to buy Crysis 2 and unless the reviews are horrible, I probably will. Just... c'mon.... don't "consolize" something as cool as this. Keep the options that PC gamers are used to in the final version of the game. I know nobody's entitled to anything, but I'm just asking because I want to remain a customer.

I am unemployed at the moment and truthfully I have used torrents for games. Not many, usually just ones I want to try and then found they weren't worth buying. That said, I have bought Crysis twice and Warhead once and Crysis 2 remains a day1 for me. I agree there is some hysteria about 'the dreaded piracy' on PCs. I honestly don't think it hurts sales much, some even say that it promotes sales. If you create something great then people will want to own their own version of it even if they did download it first.

@Jac

Thats a bit of a broad statement and unless you don't believe in conspiracies period I can't see why you would say that.

I'm sure Crytek will make a rational business decision based on sales rather than an emotional one and this is not a reason to abandon PC anymore than it would be a reason not to buy a BMW again if you left your keys in the door and somebody stole it.

@Jac

Thats a bit of a broad statement and unless you don't believe in conspiracies period I can't see why you would say that.

My statement was based on a Danish marketing study on file sharing networks. The original document seems to have been removed but here is a article referring to it

http://www.p2pon.com/2009/01/28/study-reveals-piracy-does-not-hurt-music-industry/

Other industry observers have also stated similar views.

That's the difference between an informed opinion and pulling something straight outta your ass.

No money is not an excuse to steal. Period.

Having said that: I think EVERY game should have a demo.

I don't have enough money to own a Lamborghini. Guess i'd better just go steal one then - Silly argument.

If piracy was just as difficult as stealing a car and was just as easy to get caught then how many people do you think would pirate then? It's easy to get away with, that's why people do it... NOT because it can be justified in ludicrous ways.

I don't have enough money to own a Lamborghini. Guess i'd better just go steal one then - Silly argument.

If piracy was just as difficult as stealing a car and was just as easy to get caught then how many people do you think would pirate then? It's easy to get away with, that's why people do it... NOT because it can be justified in ludicrous ways.


Hey Cry-Adam then go start telling your **** devs to make a **** demo for the **** game. You **** tards make demos for consoles. The whole point in a demo is to try the **** game out to see if you like it. US PC GAMERS can't do that cause there is no such thing as a demo anymore for out platform. So you **** tards expect us to spend $60 on a game that we might not even like. I am so sick of hearing this ****. It is you guys to blame for this **** piracy mess. Of course there will be a few who will never buy the game. But so what, they can't play multiplayer only singleplayer which will get boring fast and you **** wonder why people torrent GEEEEEZZZZ.
I rest my case

Piracy is stealing yes, and providing no demo lends suspicion.

No demo means I am forced to d/l the game to find out a. it works on my PC, my set-up b. is what I want.

I don't have enough money to own a Lamborghini. Guess i'd better just go steal one then - Silly argument.

If piracy was just as difficult as stealing a car and was just as easy to get caught then how many people do you think would pirate then? It's easy to get away with, that's why people do it... NOT because it can be justified in ludicrous ways.


Hey Cry-Adam then go start telling your **** devs to make a **** demo for the **** game. You **** tards make demos for consoles. The whole point in a demo is to try the **** game out to see if you like it. US PC GAMERS can't do that cause there is no such thing as a demo anymore for out platform. So you **** tards expect us to spend $60 on a game that we might not even like. I am so sick of hearing this ****. It is you guys to blame for this **** piracy mess. Of course there will be a few who will never buy the game. But so what, they can't play multiplayer only singleplayer which will get boring fast and you **** wonder why people torrent GEEEEEZZZZ.
I rest my case


U mad?

Maybe you should pay attention more cus Crytek already announced that there will be a demo for PC.

I don't have enough money to own a Lamborghini. Guess i'd better just go steal one then - Silly argument.


You can always steal one just to try a few days then buy one later

I don't have enough money to own a Lamborghini. Guess i'd better just go steal one then - Silly argument.

If piracy was just as difficult as stealing a car and was just as easy to get caught then how many people do you think would pirate then? It's easy to get away with, that's why people do it... NOT because it can be justified in ludicrous ways.

You can test drive a lamborghini though, which many games do not allow. Other than that I agree with you.

If Crytek already had a PC demo out though, there wouldn't be an issue of any leak piracy, just like with other companies, a demo drastically slashes down the piracy rate.

I'm sure it wouldn't be nearly quite as widespread as piracy but if dealerships didn't allow people to test drive a car before a purchase, many more carjackings would be noticed.

I don't have enough money to own a Lamborghini. Guess i'd better just go steal one then - Silly argument.

If piracy was just as difficult as stealing a car and was just as easy to get caught then how many people do you think would pirate then? It's easy to get away with, that's why people do it... NOT because it can be justified in ludicrous ways.


Hey Cry-Adam then go start telling your **** devs to make a **** demo for the **** game. You **** tards make demos for consoles. The whole point in a demo is to try the **** game out to see if you like it. US PC GAMERS can't do that cause there is no such thing as a demo anymore for out platform. So you **** tards expect us to spend $60 on a game that we might not even like. I am so sick of hearing this ****. It is you guys to blame for this **** piracy mess. Of course there will be a few who will never buy the game. But so what, they can't play multiplayer only singleplayer which will get boring fast and you **** wonder why people torrent GEEEEEZZZZ.
I rest my case
umm, not helping much?

"If piracy was just as difficult as stealing a car and was just as easy to get caught then how many people do you think would pirate then? It's easy to get away with, that's why people do it... NOT because it can be justified in ludicrous ways."

The truth has never been said better.

im starting to think this was done on purpose to not release any PC DEMO.

Well I would have used a different anology other than a car, considering that with most if not all cars you test drive them first prior to purchasing it. In fact you might test several. Lamborghini's is a stretch largely because it's something most of us will never buy or have access to.

I see what people mean with demos in that regard.

Of course that's not stealing either. Very different concepts and a no-so-fine line when you take one. This isn't gone in 60 seconds. It is very easy to take things on the internet. Adding risk isn't a realistic option however, you can't really police the internet like that, it doesn't work. Making it simply 'a pain in the ass' will deter most people. It's like a lock on the door at your house, simply inconvenient enough to deter most folks.

The difference of course is that $60 is not $200,000, that's a gigantic difference in cost. For me I can spend $60 and shrug about it if it's something I don't play much. No skin off my back really. You really can't afford $60 dollars for something you want? Well then get a job, hippie.

I didn't buy a new car, I bought a plymouth duster last year and am retro-modding that myself so my car experience is unusual compared to most when it comes to buying/maintaining them. But for most folks they just go buy/test drive a car.

Still, it's always nice to try before your buy one something in which you're skeptical. I thought the xbox demo was a good idea, and I enjoyed it. It actually got some people I thought would never play Crysis to try it out and say that they'll probably but it now where as before they were 'meh' about the idea since they never had a PC to play the original. It really depends on the target audience, some folks will steal no matter what, and others want to tr before they by, and then some will buy it on the spot and sort through it later. Can't please them all.

Oh and i'm buying Crysis 2 at least on the PC. I'll probably also buy a copy for my Dad on PS3 for his birthday too.

Double post failure. Great /sarcasm

I don't have enough money to own a Lamborghini. Guess i'd better just go steal one then - Silly argument.

If piracy was just as difficult as stealing a car and was just as easy to get caught then how many people do you think would pirate then? It's easy to get away with, that's why people do it... NOT because it can be justified in ludicrous ways.

If you don't have enough money and steal a car, someone else will lose a car.
If you don't have enough money to buy a game but pirate it, I doubt anyone would lose a game themselves. Other gamers won't as it's definitely not their copy of the game. And developers won't as you are not going to buy the game anyway. If it's easy to get caught you might just not pirate it ,but you will still not buy the game as you do not think it's worth it.

IMO the reason gamers nowadays buy the games is not due to the desire to play the game, but to show their support to the developers. If you just want to play the game, anyone with half a brain can play it free no matter it's on pc, Xbox360 or ps3. At least its true for me and many of my friends.
I never buy a game without trying it first. And if I've decided to buy it, I'll definitely buy the collectors edition. And in the last year, I almost bought one pc game every month, all of them are collectors editions. This may not be much compared to many hardcoe gamers but is already quite a lot compared to most casual console gamers which is of the majority. I'm not filthy rich and I'm sure that I would definitely not have bought those games if I haven't tried them.

I dunno guys. I heard something about a master key being in the leaked torrent, and then I heard something about that meaning that it was an inside job. No one is responsible for this but Crytek.

I imagine eventually (it definitely will, just not for some time) that we will all be buying our games online. And such ways may even make piracy just much more easier to beat.
The only game I think I have ever got without a demo is Crysis, and Fallout 3. Maybe another one or 2 Valve games perhaps. The games never disappointed. Unfortunately, New Vegas never had a demo, never was likely to anyway, but due to not knowing what the game is like I never brought it. Some games I like to try first, others its a sort of instinct on whether it'll be worth the time to buy. For me, I feel Crysis 2 is worth it, I have not got a single bad game (both my own opinion and of the wider public's opinion) for the PC.
Was not quite sure what to post, just rambled a bit I think.



I thought the thread was going good, till some posts.
Headshot ban between the legs at 1 mile with a spud-gun.

I don't have enough money to own a Lamborghini. Guess i'd better just go steal one then - Silly argument.

If piracy was just as difficult as stealing a car and was just as easy to get caught then how many people do you think would pirate then? It's easy to get away with, that's why people do it... NOT because it can be justified in ludicrous ways.

Piracy is not justifiable, but your argument is fallacious. Piracy does not transfer a tangible product from one person to another. Although companies see it as stealing because it's a loss of a potential sale, it's really not as black and white as that. Piracy can be damaging, but in the end it's how companies deal with it that shapes its outcome. Had Crytek/EA released a PC demo earlier, no one would have cared about the unstable beta leak. People really wanted to see the game and with it being a mere month away, they were getting worried that Crytek/EA were hiding it like they were ashamed of it. The leaker and people who download it are still completely in the wrong, but you really need to look at it from all perspectives to understand the situation and act accordingly.

http://www.ripten.com/2010/12/28/call-of-pirates-aaronalex/

Battlefield: Bad Company 2 (3.96 million downloads),

pc gaming won't die just hardcoe pc gaming will die!!

"I'm sure Crytek will make a rational business decision based on sales rather than an emotional one"

Yeah!! it's called Codename:Kingdoms PC devs only making console exclusive says a lot!!

I don't have enough money to own a Lamborghini. Guess i'd better just go steal one then - Silly argument.

If piracy was just as difficult as stealing a car and was just as easy to get caught then how many people do you think would pirate then? It's easy to get away with, that's why people do it... NOT because it can be justified in ludicrous ways.

Piracy is not justifiable, but your argument is fallacious. Piracy does not transfer a tangible product from one person to another. Although companies see it as stealing because it's a loss of a potential sale, it's really not as black and white as that. Piracy can be damaging, but in the end it's how companies deal with it that shapes its outcome. I think this really says it best (it does cover your point made amongst many others): http://www.escapistmagazine.com/videos/view/extra-credits/2653-Piracy

Had Crytek/EA released a PC demo earlier, no one would have cared about the unstable beta leak. While the latter part of your sentence may be true, have you considered that the demo is not ready yet and it will be released as soon as possible?

People really wanted to see the game and with it being a mere month away, they were getting worried that Crytek/EA were hiding it like they were ashamed of it. So the fact that there's "only" a month left before launch, even though Crytek have announced that there is a PC demo coming pre-launch, that somehow is supposed to justify piracy?

With that said, piracy is a sensitive/taboo topic which is why on most forums you'll find the topic is generally not accepted as allowed content. The same goes for this site. Whilst the discussion of piracy in general is not black & white forbidden i think in this case it hits a little closer to home and as such a more strict approach is taken on discussions.

See here: http://www.gamesas.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=117628#p117628
And here: http://www.gamesas.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=117648#p117648

If you still wish to discuss the topic, please take the above into consideration and use the announcement thread: http://www.gamesas.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=21&t=7261

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