This makes me wonder; what would Aedric planes be like if one were to travel to them?
Would such a trip even be possible; perhaps similar to the ways one can travel to the Daedric realms?

I don't know; I've never heard of it happening. I do believe it should be possible not unlike traveling to the Planes of Oblivion or the moons, but I don't think I've ever heard of it happening.

That's a real mind twister.

Remember that the Aedra are different from the Daedra. They are subject to change by the actions of mortals, and undertook in Creation.

Some have said that they reside in Aetherius. While many discredit that theory, the original Knights of the Nine claim they can now to the gods and cite Aetherius as a destination.

The only time I'm personally aware of anyone making a journey is in Daggerfall, but this was an isolated part of the realm (Mantellan Crux).

It's my theory that "infinite" here is rather "really really really really really big/heavy/far." For all practical purposes the masses and distances are infinite.

Its possible, and its been done by the Imperial Mananauts and the Sunbirds of Alinor.

Infinite = infinite. Its no weirder than any theoretical physics in our world.

I agree, and I'm saying that I'm one of those individuals that can't quite grasp certain mathematical properties that exist in the real world, let alone in the TES world.

In this case, "infinite = infinite" brought up my own confusion when it comes to certain infinities that are larger than other infinities. It's just weird to me.

As far as we know, they were only http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Pocket_Guide_to_the_Empire,_3rd_Edition/Arena_Supermundus. And it sounds to me like they never made it.


Infinite= whatever the Temple-Zero Society decided to declare it. It's not like they have the means to distinguish between very very very very very large/heavy/far and infinite.

Edit: Aside from the fact that I made it clear that it was a theory, not a fact, we must never forget that our sources are written from the perspectives of mortals trying to understand the universe.

They made it, they brought back the celestial material from which the orrery in Alinor is made of.


Maybe they do.

Why wouldnt they be able to use the same methods we used in figuring out our universe is finite?
Logic, backed by mathematical evidence.
Our universe is finite because it is dark at night. In other words, in an infinite universe at every possible gradient as seen from earth there must be a star. Wether they are further away or closer by, in an infinite universe the night sky would be much, much brighter. The mathematical proof is in debunking possible interjections to this, wich for instance show that even a dense cluster of gas blocking out starlight would not present such darkness as we have, would it truly be an infinite universe.

Another logical proof is that it is a given that the universe started a finite time ago and has since been expanding at a finite speed, and therefore cannot logically be infinite in size. And again this is backed by mathematics, and observations.

I suspect there must be a logical reasoning behind the descriptions of infinity. To me it sounds a bit like esotheric mathematics, with a lot of nestling infinities and all that jazz.
Hard to understand, because it is counter-intuitive, but with its own beauty.
The notion that gods are infinite in nature and when a limited mind is confronted with this it fails and translates it into something comprehensible is not, I think, that odd.

I think it is a bit wrong to state that just because an organisation is religious in nature they do not have the means or ability to get to the truth.
One must remember that in Tamriel, gods are very real. Wich, as Terry Pratchett said, would make being an atheist about as smart of a long term survival strategy as going for a walk in a thunderstorm with a large metal helmet on.

The Orrery in Firsthold was made from materials gathered in the Merethic Era, before recorded history, much earlier than those expeditions.


Perhaps, but I doubt it. I'm not seeing mortals as having the means to distinguish it. All they can tell is that the masses are too great for mortals to move, and distances too great for mortals to traverse without portals.


I'm not saying they're necessarily wrong, but that's what I theorize. They're scholars, not scientists. They're not very progressed in terms of logic and discovery, despite their abilities to visit other planes (note that they haven't even charted all of their own plane), even in the TES they're http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Ancient_Tales_of_the_Dwemer#Part_II:_The_Seed. Somehow I'm not getting the impression that they've actually got any proof for what they're saying, or even that they bothered to investigate. It's pretty clear that there's much that is not known or understood by mortals.

Although I do have some things that don't seem to make sense regarding their ideas. Chiefly this is that while I understand that many things work differently in TES as opposed to the real world, their ideas seem to violate TES's physics. It sounds to me like they're just trying to make sense of what lies beyond while lacking the means to actually measure it.

Well the Sun Birds of Alinor existed in Merethic era, right?

Um what? Are you taking into account the red-shift of light? You know the visible spectrum is pretty tiny in the grand scheme of things right? Or am I not getting what your alluding to? Because the electromagnetic spectrum is everywhere, and IIRC, does fill up the night sky.

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Also... google DEEP FIELD VIEW bro! It will blow your mind! :run: :rock:

Uh.... No.

And Crimson Paladin, I don't think there's any reason to doubt that the plane[t]s are infinite.
First of all, how can you say that anything violates TES physics? You don't know what those physics are, or technically that physical law even exists in TES.
Secondly, I get the impression that it's not neither necessary nor possible to measure the plane[t]s with scientifically sound methods. Their proof for the infinite nature of the plane[t]s is more likely to be theological.
As you say, they're scholars, not scientists; and this is a world where myth, story, and religion matter much more than science.
It's ridiculous to suggest that we should doubt their knowledge because they're not scientists in a world where science is meaningless.

This isn't a matter of studying physical planetary bodies with scientific instruments and universal law, it's a study of GODS.

I beg to differ. You can observe physics in TESs. Physics works pretty much the same as in real life. Chemistry and Biology, not quite as much but still very similar. But for now, I'm focusing on the physics. When something is far away, it appears smaller. A heavy weapon takes more energy to swing than a light weapon. When someone is hit with a sword, they bleed. When someone is hit by a hammer, the impact can bruise them and break their bones. Objects that are finite distances away can be too small to be seen. And objects accelerate towards the ground.


Making stuff up and having it reflected in the gods does have power, but only to a degree. It doesn't change what happened in the past; the Tribunal learned that the hard way. It doesn't change the plane; you need a Dragon Break or possibly CHIM to pull that off. Or be super-powerful some other way. You can't change the Daedra; they are outside of the mortal plane. In fact, as far as I've seen the only effect the whole make-stuff-up-and-it-becomes-real thing has is on superstition and how the gods take form for and perceive them.