Plausibility of Partial Dwemer

Post » Tue Mar 05, 2013 7:36 am

Okay guys so I need some help. I have an RP guild that I started for TESO. One of our members created a character that claims to be part Dwemer (other part Dunmer). He did say his character may be wrong. Others claim that he is part Nord.

Personally, I don't see how this could work. His character would have to have been in Aetherius like Yagrum or else he would have been combined into the Numidium oversoul with the rest of them, right?

Here's how I explained it to him If you're interested:

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So despite the common perception in the TES community that the disappearance of the Dwemer remains a mystery, it is actually quite well known by lore forum regulars what happened to them.
Michael Kirkbride, the guy who wrote most of the stuff about the Dwemer, has repeatedly confirmed the theory. If you guys are interested in reading his comments and a full explanation of what happened, I can link them.
Short version: The Dwemer were trying to escape the sub-gradience system. Basically, in TES, every thing moves down a chain. Mortals are actually just subgradiated et'ada (original spirits) who died during the creation of Nirn. The true reason Lorkhan made Nirn, was to allow mortals to escape what he saw as the "enslavement" of this system. The universe of TES is actually comprised of the dreams of what we call the godhead.
When a mortal sees this godhead, they realize that they are in-fact, not individuals. Most people who see the Tower (the true shape of the universe), zero-sum. In other words, they cease to exist and have never existed. Those who manage to maintain their individuality attain CHIM, or become ruling kings. Essentially, they see the Tower (recognize that everything is part of the same thing) and yet still manage to say "I am."
This gives them pretty immense power. Basically, they are lucid dreamers. They are able to manipulate the dream. Individuals known to have CHIM are Vivec and Talos. Some speculate that others have it as well, such as certain player character heroes.
However, there is a step beyond CHIM. Its called Amaranth. This is when an individual moves beyond the Universe and becomes their own Universe. They enter a state of sensory deprivation and begin dreaming their own dream. These dreams then come alive.
Michel Kirkbirde told us that only one being/thing has achieved this so far. Head over to the official lore forums and find the "Hunt the Amaranth" threads to learn more about this. We still don't know for sure who is the Hidden Amaranth.
The reason this all matters for the Dwemer is that they were trying to break out of the subgradience system. People disagree about whether they were trying to move UP the chain (back to Aetherius and godhood, like the Altmer want to) or DOWN the chain (towards CHIM and Amaranth, like the Dunmer and Men want to.) Either way, their method was Numidium.
They constructed the brass god either as a vehicle or a conduit for their ascension. The metal of the Brass God was actually created using Dwemer souls. When the Tonal Architect used the tools on the heart, the Dwemer disappeared.
People disagree about whether they zero-summed (ceased to exist) or succeeded in ascending. Michael Kirbride strongly suggests (IMO) that they are still bound to Numidium. In a sense, Numidium (the artificial god) could be a reconstructed et'ada. The Dwemer souls may have combined back into something higher up the subgradience chain, a Dwemer oversoul.
The only surviving Dwemer, Yagrum-Bagarn, didn't get combined as well because he was in Aetherius (the outermost realm.) Aetherius is the origin point of the et'ada. Yagrum was, in a sense, already up the chain. Hence he didn't come along. He's unable to have Dwemer kids though for two reasons: he has corpus disease AND in TES the race of offspring is determined by the mother.
In other words, Tonal would have to have a very good reason for being Dwemer. If females in his ancestry are Dwemer, so would he be. But then he would have joined the rest of them. Unless he was in Aetherius at the time of ascension as well. Or if his ancestors were.
It would be a huge revelation though because Yagrum-Bagarn is supposed to be the last Dwemer. Maybe MK himself will comment (we can hope.)


Personally, I think Nord ancestry is more likely. Doesn't mean he can't still revere Dwemer and think he is one. Perhaps MK might say otherwise or another lorumite will have a compelling reason. for why it makes sense.

I would really appreciate your help and comments guys. I will be directing my guildie here so he can see what you all think.
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Katey Meyer
 
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Post » Tue Mar 05, 2013 7:34 am

I suppose the easy way out is to say that he's half Dwemer half (whatever) by birth. It's a cop-out and not very interesting, but it's something.

Alternatively, you could say that he's the result of a Dwemer genetics experiment. Perhaps they are so stumped by the concept of Vivec's Love that they decided to try inter-species breeding to find out if the realization of one's own inner divinity was a genetic deficiency, or biologically dependent.
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Post » Mon Mar 04, 2013 11:49 pm

A real Dwemer might be difficult.
Any Dwemer-Dunmer mix would have been long diluted by their Dunmer ancestors after the dissapearance of the Dwemer.
Something exotic seems the best bet, such as a Telvanni vat-grown experiment.
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Post » Tue Mar 05, 2013 2:43 am

A vat-grown clone of of a proper Dwemer? Either a Telvanni experiment or descended from a line created by the dwemer themselves, in their own image perhaps.
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Post » Tue Mar 05, 2013 4:23 am

Part dwemer in what way?
By birth?? The Race depends on the race of the mother right?
If the mother is dwemer,then there would be a problem..as it's possible that he would have dissappeared too.
If the mother was Dunmer,then it wouldn't really be a problem...
TESO takes place int he 2nd era,Could a dwemer dunmer hybrid have surivied that long?
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Post » Tue Mar 05, 2013 2:37 am

We do have some half-breeds in TES. Despite what Notes On Racial Phylogeny says.

That author could just be an in-game scientist who is over confident in his theory.

We have the Grey Prince in Oblivion who is a half-breed. We also have the Bretons, who are said to have some Altmer blood. That suggests that it isn't as simple as "mother decides race."
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Post » Tue Mar 05, 2013 3:32 am

Maybe Divath Fyr picked off a bit of Yagrum Bagarn, had it grow, and humped it. Boom, half-Dwemer, half-Dunmer.
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Post » Tue Mar 05, 2013 5:25 am


If the mother is dwemer,then there would be a problem..as it's possible that he would have dissappeared too.
If the mother was Dunmer,then it wouldn't really be a problem...


First part is what I'm worried/unsure about.

Second part, wouldn't that just make him a Dunmer if Phylogeny is correct?

Maybe Divath Fyr picked off a bit of Yagrum Bagarn, had it grow, and humped it. Boom, half-Dwemer, half-Dunmer.

Lol. I actually like this.
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