That's not cool at all. It's stupid and unfair that just because a person decides to play as their or another skin color, a different races person will attack him for it.

That's not fallout, it's bull [censored].

Why not? Wouldn't it add character diversity and offer wider array of storytelling opportunities. I mean, it's not like it's an ethnic attack to have imaginary characters have such views.

Yes, but there are plenty of other ways to add character diversity than racism.

Pathetic.

You could have two groups for example. One who believes in this, and one who belivea in that.

The characters could have strong backstories. Like they are a tribal clan with much history.

Maybe they wear certain armor or clothes to represent their faction.

Instead of," your a black guy, you deserve to die" bull [censored] some of you want.

You're simplifying things. And you're taking it way too personally. It's not an advocation of racial differences or an advert of KKK, but a thought provoking storytelling element. I still ask, why not?

There are plenty of other provoking story telling elements than having to resort to racism. Ghouls and super mutants and that stuff is friendly enough and fine as it is. It doesn't have to drift into asains, or Hispanics, or Africans, ect.

I can tell great stories without using racism. So can a lot of others. Why can't fallout 4 do it?

Answer is, they can. There are plenty of other storytelling elements that could be included than racism.

Plus do you really think Bethesda wants to deal with controversy?

I'm not saying there can't be good stories without racism. That'd be ludicrous. And beside the point.

But I'm asking why couldn't racism be used as an element of story telling? What harm would it actually do if it wasn't a forced view of the player character to act upon?

Time for my wisdom of the day: Ignoring racism does not remove racism.

I wouldn't mind some man to man racism based on the colour of their skin.
I'd rather have other story material, but I wouldn't oppose it as long as it has good writing.
Hatred still exists, which is clearly shown in the world of Fallout.
Hatred against your fellow man for being different surely still exists as well.

Well of course it can! Just pick up a good western or two. However, when you read certain books and media, you usually can predict that racism will be involved. So, a western based on a black cowboy would probably have some rather racist statements in the story.

Howeve, this is fallout, not that western or other book. It's where ghouls are where the prejudices is pointed at. Their fictional and represent no real race.

However, it wouldn't be cool to pick up fallout 4 and hear a racist comment splurted at you. Fallout is a post apocataptic roleplay game. Human Racism hasn't been in it since the first, and it should stay that way. If someone wants to be exposed to racism, there are plenty of other media out there.

I get your point, I really do. And obviously I've read great books with racism in them and the like. However, I feel fallout really doesn't need to go there since there is so many other story telling elements out there. Plus, that comment that you should be attacked randomly by another person who hates your skin is pathetic. Just because I'm Asian a white/black/blue guy should spawn out in the waste and attack me for a rather weak reason? (we all know Bethesda such at back stories.)

Speaking of which, they'd probably implant racism in fallout so poorly and stupid, that you'd see my point instantly. Story telling isn't really Bethesda best Attribute. Obsidian, however, has GREaT writing, and great writing without any human racism involves! Tadah!!!

I'm not opposed to there not being racism, let's be clear about that -- nor do I approve of mechanics that randomly punish skin color. But I'm questioning the "Oh my god did you say racism? Are you [censored] serious? Too much controversy. Go kill [censored]s in Postal 2!" type of personal affection to the subject (no, you didn't say that, but it's an impression I got from your stance) when the gameseries in question is already harboring controversial themes like childkilling, murder, slavery, and genocide, etc.

http://i.imgur.com/AwznJ.jpg

I don't see it surviving the Great War and I don't see it having much relevance in the harshness of a post-apocalyptic wasteland. I can understand racism against ghouls or super mutants, but I see very little reason why anyone would be bothered by the colour of another persons skin when they have little to no knowledge of pre-war immigration. Running from a Deathclaw is also a great equalizer.

And cannibalism.

That's cute.


Human mind is curious piece of work. Immigration issues also aren't about skin color (not by premise), but nationality and behavior.


Yeah, forgot about that one.

http://i.imgur.com/4Csi3.jpg

He is rather handsome, is he rather?

True, but by immigration I just meant that a caucasian in a post-apocalyptic society has no knowledge that the ancestors of a black person he's standing next to could eventually be traced back to Kenya or an Asian person he just saw could have ancestors from Japan. Its doubtful that any of them would even recognize these names as countries. For all they know, all of these peoples ancestors grew up in the US which is true to a certain point. There could certainly be some whackos who are willing to put aside their own safety and sanity who would willingly go out of their way to persecute people of different skin colours, but I do doubt that there would be enough of them to become a large problem.

Googles "Rather"
Finds: http://media-cdn.tripadvisor.com/media/photo-s/01/4f/82/bc/some-rather-strange-pictures.jpg

Rather is far more handsome, Rather has a military suit and a kickass cap.

In a situation like that, where people by their nature gather together to form groups, all you need is an educated and willing person (or few) to out and spread ideals that people consume and identify with. That's how all "ism's" and ideologies are born and spread. There are prewar books and stuff all over the place to learn from (see how Caesar's Legion was born, for example -- noone initially knew about ancient romans than Ceasar himself, who then implanted the ideal to the people --- for real life examples, see Christianity, National Socialism, Stalinism, democracy etc).

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