I find it funny, that liches CAN'T be in the game...

Well, you did present a good argument and idea of the process. What I tend to be against are people wanting to become an uber undead thing of magical doom and destruction, with little to no consequence or the idea it can be reversed (it can't be reversed). Never mind that it's a very hard processes, only accomplished by those who are powerful to begin.

Depends on how they'd do it. Possibly a necromancer guild with a sidequest that ends up with you learning one (or two) spells, that when used will turn you into a lich until used again to turn you back to normal. Possibly while doing this, all dark powers have their damage doubled, but all other spells have their damage halved. Of course with a necromancer guild, if there ever were one, there would be a darkness themed magic type. Possibly also with the means to raise a corpse as an undead, or skeleton, the ability to rip a person's soul away and harvest them for dark rituals to increase the power of these spells, or plenty other things...just as long as said guild isn't lead by the same guy who did in Oblivion who's name I can't remember how to spell but think it's Manimarco or something like that. Oh, and did I mention there should be new necromancer robes? Also, back on the subject of liches, when turned lich, all guards should automatically hostile and attack you on sight.

Liches aren't powerful, because they're liches people...

Liches are just undead mages. By choice. The rituals of lichcraft are extremely difficult. Which is why i put in such steep requirements and also people would learn quickly of your goals, so you'd need Conceal True Nature It'd be with huge consequence if you went to town without Conceal True Nature people would have minimal disposition with you, some would even attack you. Getting a quest from a non-Mages' Guild/Necromancer would be like finding a cache of a thousand gold completely unguarded.

Thank you, Kalarn.

so do you think it would work, if i choose to make my appearance as a skeletal robed sorcerer i should bde able to right?

I love liches, I don't want them to be shot down. I hate to reference another game, but Lyran from Dark Alliance II. I loved fighting through his place, battling through all his enchanted stuff only to find an ancient wizard below.

Thousands? I've seen no evidence to suggest that "thousands" of gamers are up in arms about wanting to be a lich in Skyrim. In fact I've not seen anything I'd call conclusive suggesting there are even a hundred. :shrug:



And this is why this entire discussion is a waste- because any pretense of you wanting other people's opinions is exactly that: a pretense.



Yes, you should, just like in Oblivion. Mod away.

But being able to be a lich should be a choice. We're going to become Thu'um for Akatosh's sake. The most powerful Thu'um can't even opent here mouth without destroying everything within a few square miles and you're telling me being a lich shouldn't be allowed? And Thu'um are nord-only, but apparently we'll be able to be them as any race.

((I read we can be Thu'um, but it's highly likely we'll be able to))

okay its really a matter of math, im not good at it but those of you who are take time and try and figure it out say you check out all the downloads for oblivions lich mod maybes morrowinds then people who play other rpgs that have liches in it multiply that or whatever of how many gamers there are in the world and divide it by well i dont know but there are many people that probably havnt even played a elder scroll game but will pursue a dark player when they start, so if you can figure it out, and check out many different game rpg's sites that revolve around necromancy and unddead it could be calculated approximately. im guessing it has to tens of thousands and i can vouch for almost all my friends they all agree that would be sweet, i mean my friend drew named his character for oblivion Lucifer for christs sakes.

oh and just look at my poll half or so say yes most say no and a bunch say maybe and only a couple of votes behind no is depends on how they do it overall the majority of the viewers say yes provided it is done in a way that most people can enjoy.

I voted yes.

For me being able to become a lich would be a fun roleplaying vehicle for some unique situations.

I could imagine using powerful illusion magic for interacting with others.

It would, of course, be irreversible.

Maybe already being dead would allow you to cast spells that would kill a living being if they attempted to cast it.

Being able to be a mudcrab should be a choice. If I want to roleplay as a mudcrab, I should be able to. I want to roleplay the Mudcrab Merchant, and travel from town to town selling my wares.

and what scavenge the shoreline for beached fish? please

That's ludicrous, and we both know it is. Being a lich is logical and would add to roleplay, because their sapient, sentient beings.

No

@ lichfreak

So you want to be a lich, i'll respect that and not argue against it if you will respect the forum rules and STOP double and triple posting. You can edit your posts.

whoops sorry im new and often dont realize im doing that.

What might M'aiq say about people who want to be liches this time. :happy:

he would say thats a bad idea. (but we all know what he means)

I think it could be a nice feature if incorporated correctly. As in you only get the opportunity very late in the game, and only as a high level mage character. Personally I would expect 200-years-later-civil-war Skyrim to be more lenient to the necromancers and the undead so long as they fight on their side. People would probably dislike you - even hate you - but tolerate you nonetheless because you are a very powerful mage who can help them out. Liches don't have to be evil remember :celebration:

Also if appearance is to be changed, I don't think you should be a skeleton. Have a rotted body or be a wee bit paler but don't undo my lovely features...

I dont understand why ppl would vote no on this! the conseal true form spell seems awesome.

thanks, i guess people just like vampires and all this talk of werewolves but to me adding a lich would complete the trio, its what i aspire to roleplay

EDIT: oh and although people are psyched about being vampires, im laughing at them because the vampires in skyrim are nothing like the ones in cirodiil they do not blend in society and they would be recognized and attacked just as fast as my lich would in unconcealed form, so ha ha ha i cant wait for everyones disappointment that didnt vote for my lich

Lich freak... you know... you are more than a bit childish in your posts.

By the way, the thing of the trio is a complete invention of yours... and about people downloading Liches mods... you know, there are a lot of people who have download "Assassins Creed Gear" mods, or playable dremoras, but that doesn't mean that a lot of players would be sad if those things weren't in the game.

And I don't know why the new changes would ruin the game for you. Explain, please.

and you know what, no its not a invention of mine i heard it from other people before i even comprehended it, then realizing it was right, and i just argued with a hundred people last week about how much cooler vamps are than anything, and how so many people couldnt wait to be them, then it hit me, the lore of skyrim vampires resemble them to be somewhat of morrowinds vamps , the ones that dont blend into public, that would attack you on sight, and i thought oh, well this is why everyone thinks it would svck to be a lich, because you would get attacked on sight and blah blah blah, and now realizing that they are pretty much exactly the same thing im laughing because everyone pretty much argued for no reason some minor difference but there the same thing, a vampire is worse, they need sustinance, and cant blend into public, liches however do not. and can conceal themselves quite nicely in society, and how do you not see a trio here anyway are you blind? can you not read the previous posts? you seem very childish for having to stand out against people and try to find any inconsistency to argue a good idea, and what is your point by the way? are you hoping by some miracle that you will dissuade me away from thinking my idea is a good one for the type of character me and so many of my friends play? what do you do in the game? just regular good law abiding knight for the people? who cares about your views about lichcraft, there are so many people that think its a good idea just look at my poll no may be the leader by a few votes, but the majority of the other questions far puts it in the running, and seriously what is your problem? you are like an annoying fly buzzing around my head, every single thing that comes out of your mouth is negative, oh this svcks because.... and that svcks because.... blah blah blah please stop bothering me, i have much more interesting people to chat with, people that actually have a imagination and arent confined into there own boring generic cliche. and seriously i dont know what kind of character you play (dont care either) but seriously you are not the master of the elder scroll universe and people are allowed to dream and hope for things that others may not be interested in its called choice, and if you think everyone should be like you then i wonder who the child really is, i mean do you agree with anyone, is it even possible for you to see eye and eye with somebody on different views? obviously not so go away!

Wise, don't call LichFreak childish, because his opinion differs from yours. A lot of players would love to become a lich :meh: