and you know what, no its not a invention of mine i heard it from other people before i even comprehended it, then realizing it was right, and i just argued with a hundred people last week about how much cooler vamps are than anything, and how so many people couldnt wait to be them, then it hit me, the lore of skyrim vampires resemble them to be somewhat of morrowinds vamps , the ones that dont blend into public, that would attack you on sight, and i thought oh, well this is why everyone thinks it would svck to be a lich, because you would get attacked on sight and blah blah blah, and now realizing that they are pretty much exactly the same thing im laughing because everyone pretty much argued for no reason some minor difference but there the same thing, a vampire is worse, they need sustinance, and cant blend into public, liches however do not. and can conceal themselves quite nicely in society, and how do you not see a trio here anyway are you blind? can you not read the previous posts? you seem very childish for having to stand out against people and try to find any inconsistency to argue a good idea, and what is your point by the way? are you hoping by some miracle that you will dissuade me away from thinking my idea is a good one for the type of character me and so many of my friends play? what do you do in the game? just regular good law abiding knight for the people? who cares about your views about lichcraft, there are so many people that think its a good idea just look at my poll no may be the leader by a few votes, but the majority of the other questions far puts it in the running, and seriously what is your problem? you are like an annoying fly buzzing around my head, every single thing that comes out of your mouth is negative, oh this svcks because.... and that svcks because.... blah blah blah please stop bothering me, i have much more interesting people to chat with, people that actually have a imagination and arent confined into there own boring generic cliche. and seriously i dont know what kind of character you play (dont care either) but seriously you are not the master of the elder scroll universe and people are allowed to dream and hope for things that others may not be interested in its called choice, and if you think everyone should be like you then i wonder who the child really is, i mean do you agree with anyone, is it even possible for you to see eye and eye with somebody on different views? obviously not so go away!

Wise, don't call LichFreak childish, because his opinion differs from yours. A lot of players would love to become a lich :meh:

Sigh,,,

The idea of the trio is a complete invention because werewolves were stealth-strenght monsters, and the vampires improved in all their aspect.

You are saying things abput me that I have never said. I don't think that everybody should think as I do. And I don't remember to have said that I always play as a good knisht. I have exposed my opinions. It's very interesnting how you call "interesting people to the people that agree with you, you are the one that will never hear to the others. And the poll in the amount of people that in this post says that they want Liches is not significant- Obviously, those who agree with your ideas will post more than those who don't do so.

Anyway, sorry for having a different opinion. I suposse I should burn in a bonfire. I didn't expect the Spanish Inquisition.

ok i apologize i was a little angry i feel cornered sometimes and feel that everyones fighting me and often confuse my thoughts no hard feelings friend, and just said a knight because i assumed thats what you played cause you dont seem to like anything to do with evil players.

EDIT: and i just know it would be such a sweet feature that many people would enjoy, when i think of the northern continent, i think rich vast ruins and secrets and evils waiting to be discovered and learned, im sorry we dont see eye to eye on some aspects of the matter but nevertheless it would be successful, i just know it would, so lets try to avoid any future unpleasantries k

Sigh...

The idea of the trio is a complete invention because werewolves were stealth-strenght monsters, and the vampires improved in all their aspect.

You are putting words in my mouth that I have never said. I don't think that everybody should think as I do. And I don't remember to have said that I always play as a good knight. I have exposed my opinions. It's very interesnting how you call "interesting people" to the people that agree with you, you are the one that will never hear to the others. And the the amount of people that in this post says that they want Liches is not significant. Obviously, those who agree with your ideas will post more than those who don't do so.

Anyway, sorry for having a different opinion. I suposse I should burn in a bonfire. I didn't expect the Spanish Inquisition.



Please, don't misunderstand me. I don't call him childish because of his different ideas, but for the way he expose them:

HAHAHA LULZ EVERYBODY WILL BE SILLY WHEN THEY DISCOVER THAT VAMPIRES WILL BE LIKE THIS HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAA!!!!1!! YOU ARE IDIOTS BECAUSE YOU DONT AGREE WITH ME (Dramatization)

I think that being a lich would ruin the game for you, since you wouldn't be able to do anything in the world outside "The Necromancers Guild" (which doesn't even exist as far as we all know). The BIG difference with being a lich or a vampire/werewolf is that you can conceal your true identity as a vampire/werewolf, whereas you are not as a lich. This would therefore render all non-necromancer NPCs hostile towards you, refuse to give you quests, etc. Besides, adding the option to become a lich AND being able to get that to work would probably require Bethesda to change Skyrim into a horror game with waaaay to much focus on the dark arts and also they would've had to spend a huge amount of time and resources on it. I just think it's a bad idea. If you want to become a lich: make a mod for it.

I think that being a lich would ruin the game for you, since you wouldn't be able to do anything in the world outside "The Necromancers Guild" (which doesn't even exist as far as we all know). The BIG difference with being a lich or a vampire/werewolf is that you can conceal your true identity as a vampire/werewolf, whereas you are not as a lich. This would therefore render all non-necromancer NPCs hostile towards you, refuse to give you quests, etc. Besides, adding the option to become a lich AND being able to get that to work would probably require Bethesda to change Skyrim into a horror game with waaaay to much focus on the dark arts and also they would've had to spend a huge amount of time and resources on it. I just think it's a bad idea. If you want to become a lich: make a mod for it.

sorry but you have to be the 1000th person to say that obviously you didnt read the threads theres the ''CONCEAL TRUE NATURE'' AND ''REVEAL TRUE NATURE'' spells that pretty much revert you back to your former self temporarily allowing you to finish quests and associate with the world. please read it we have all worked out the kinks in this

EDIT: please people read the threads it would completely work we have all been over this already, and as for it being gamebreaking, HOW? whats the difference between a vamp, a lycan, and a lich?, not much there all balanced in there own ways, think about it people, just stop and think.

Thing is, I still don't like it. Simply casting a spell to conceal your true identity is too easy. With a spell like that, being a lich would probably have few, or no drawbacks. Being a vampire and a werewolf actually required you to do something and put in some effort to not reveal yourself. Also, never before have any lich been able to hide their true identity (enemies in Morrowind and Oblivion), which means that being able to magically hide your true self would break lore and also immersion (at least for me).

EDIT: Sure, Bethesda might be able to make it work, but to me it seems like going through an awful lot of trouble for something that not all too many players are interested in. I know that a lot of players voted that they want liches in the game, but with a poll like this people who want liches will be more eager to vote than those who doesn't. Not to mention that there's still more people in the poll who doesn't want liches than those who do. Also, I would like to add that there are a lot of things that I would like to be able to do, etc, but that I don't want to be in the game because it's unnecessary (or for some other reason). That's why there exists mods.

No, because the people of Skyrim aren't going to really hype up the Dovahkiin when they find out he's a mingey old lich, hell they'd probably try to get rid of him as much as they would Alduin.
We would NOT get the same reception as Martin did, that's for sure.

That high pitched shriek and the fact that they are so difficult when you first encounter them at low levels makes me want to smack the crap out of them when my level is higher. (using mods to adjust the level scaling problems).

But I voted yes because I want Lich Freak to finally see his dream come true.

OK wisel, i only put it like that cause everybody had it in there head that the vamps in skyrim would be like the ones from cirodiil, and there not, there totally different, and everyones thinks that vamps are the new thing for being something else when in fact there not, there no different than a lich, and i was just thinking because probably almost everyone who voted no had it in there head to become a vamp thinking they can just go into public when they please and the lore states that they cant do that, they would be spotted immediately and killed while a lich basically the same thing could hide and conceal themselves and there just better in every way, so my point is that everyones views on both these beings needs to be reexamined and thought through, cause if the lore is consistent, vamps are not going to be what everyone expected, and naturally a lich is a better offer, adding a lich is a better ticket to immortality and not to mention why would i want to never play in the daytime again? and i personally think you just have a bad attitude and are looking for a arguement for the sake of argueing, and sometimes i get a little exited when im pressured and trying to type so fast and things come out goofy-like, so its not like im trying to hold a gun to everyones head and telling them what to do, everyones entitled to there own opinion, i just dont want critics attacking me on my thread if you dont like the idea vote and leave dont stress me out so i et gray hair, i have a five month old daughter and i have all the stress i need right now so lets end this feud its getting kinda old, i feel like im in 4th grade again, so i will cease to argue with you if you do the same

EDIT: ya know when this thread was in motion, i didnt realise and imsure everyone didnt realise the difference of the vampire, from cirodiil and skyrim but as i think todd howard stated and the ''immortal blood'' book from oblivion stated, they are very different, i didnt realize this until a fellow member pointed it out near the end of my thread, i wished he was on when it started, cause im sure everyones opinion of becoming a vamp, would lean over to a lich and my poll would be doing better.

I agree. It's better to finish this battle. When the game comes out, we'll see. And yes, it's true that Skyrim vampies will be different (the... Volkihar, I think they were names... at least those from the east), more like in Morrowind, savage and those things.

And, above all, I swear that I didn't do this just for argueing. I have my opinion, as you have yours.