Playing a thief

Post » Mon Sep 19, 2011 1:18 pm

I'm currently planning my character, Ma'Darshi.
I want a pure thief (Alchemy, Light Armor, Speech, Sneak, Lockpicking and Pickpocketing), but I wonder how I will be able to do the main quest. And most importantly, kill dragons.
I understand that as a thief the key is in preparation, becoming rich first and buying good equipment before going to where sh?it gets real. But that's still useless if you don't have a weapon.

Of course I could use daggers or bows, but that would increase warrior skills and weaken the character relative to the level. And I don't think you can reverse-pickpocket a poisoned apple into a (flying) dragon, so the only way I see how a thief could kill a dragon, is if you steal it as an egg and make an omelet before it hatches.

My other question is why a thief would need light armor when all you can do in a battle is running for your life anyway.

How would you play a (pure) thief? Sneak dragons to death, trade one thief skill for archery, go for seven "main" skills, or what?
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Post » Mon Sep 19, 2011 1:26 pm

General wimpy dragon strategy: use the "slow time" dragon shout and run like hell.
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Post » Mon Sep 19, 2011 5:28 pm

I'm currently planning my character, Ma'Darshi.
I want a pure thief (Alchemy, Light Armor, Speech, Sneak, Lockpicking and Pickpocketing), but I wonder how I will be able to do the main quest. And most importantly, kill dragons.
I understand that as a thief the key is in preparation, becoming rich first and buying good equipment before going to where sh?it gets real. But that's still useless if you don't have a weapon.

Of course I could use daggers or bows, but that would increase warrior skills and weaken the character relative to the level. And I don't think you can reverse-pickpocket a poisoned apple into a (flying) dragon, so the only way I see how a thief could kill a dragon, is if you steal it as an egg and make an omelet before it hatches.

My other question is why a thief would need light armor when all you can do in a battle is running for your life anyway.

How would you play a (pure) thief? Sneak dragons to death, trade one thief skill for archery, go for seven "main" skills, or what?

I would trade speech for marksman. You're going to want some sort of ranged attack and marksman plays off of stealth quite nice.
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Post » Mon Sep 19, 2011 4:55 pm

General wimpy dragon strategy: use the "slow time" dragon shout and run like hell.

I think slow time slows your character as well :shrug:
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Post » Mon Sep 19, 2011 10:35 am

Not sure what to say you need some kind of combat, or just don't to the main quest.
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Post » Mon Sep 19, 2011 6:29 pm

I think slow time slows your character as well :shrug:

Hopefully it will be more like Implant GRX in New Vegas.
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Post » Mon Sep 19, 2011 7:56 pm

I think slow time slows your character as well :shrug:

It didn't seem so in the videos. But you would have to kill three dragons before you can use it, anyway.

Not sure what to say you need some kind of combat, or just don't to the main quest.

Not doing the main quest is certainly not an option. It would svck hard if you cannot do the main quest if play as one of the main classes.
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Post » Mon Sep 19, 2011 11:22 pm

Here are a couple of quotes taken from this thread: http://www.gamesas.com/index.php?/topic/1226487-the-smart-thief/

A lot of posts and topics have been asking the same kinds of questions. How do you kill a dragon with the thief skills? How can a thief survive without any combat or magic skills? Well I’m going to attempt to show how using preparation and intelligence, the thief can be equally if not more dangerous than the mage or the warrior. (While I know that there are no classes in Skyrim, the discussion comes from the fact that Guardian Stones make skills in each archetype level up faster so a thief would be at a disadvantage if he had to use skills from other archetypes.)

What makes playing a thief for most characters hard is that it isn’t as straight forward. You can’t just go into combat situations slinging spells or swinging axes. You can’t even just sneak into combat and kill everybody because chances are after you make the first attack, if they’re not dead, everybody will swarm you.

This is how it works. Thieves use lock picking, sneak, pickpocketing, and speechcraft to make money fast and pilfer the best equipment available. They should always have significantly better equipment than the mage or warrior and always more gold to play with. Next, they explore the world picking alchemical ingredients and testing combinations to make the best potions and poisons. This means a thief has to spend a lot of time in preparation, making potions and stealing gold. But, when the battle comes they can use a combination of potions to fortify the skills that they need to fight, and along with having better equipment this should help to balance out the fight. What makes it even more lethal is when poisons become involved. If anybody ever explored alchemy in Oblivion, they would know that the simplest of damage health potions could be devastating and were easily mass produced. Then, if they start getting low on health, stamina, or magicka, they will have the most and the best restorative potions available for a quick replenish. Combine all these with the ability to get a stealthy and powerful first strike, and you have yourself a fearsome combatant.

The thief is defined in the preparation. That is where all of their skills will be used and where they will level up. Yes shouts, magic, and ranged attacks will probably have to be used to take down dragons, but it is the poison on the arrows that makes it just as if not more effective than an arrow shot by an archer, and the restorative and fortifying potions that make the magic more effective.


You're forgetting one more important catalyst in a thief: terrain. The ability to utilize your surrounding terrain (whether it be dungeon, city, or open ground) to your advantage is also paramount in the succession of a thief... Especially when dealing with Dragons. Stick to covered ground; wooded areas, as much as possible when travelling. If you must cross open ground, make it swift and if there's a dragon in tow, make if even faster. Find cover and use "hit-and-run" tactics. Invisibility/Chameleon are also handy. Like the OP said: Poison and potions. Poison and potions will be your best friends. Let's just hope the "paralyze" effect can be used on dragons as well. Thieves aren't known as noble and honorable fighters, so fight dirty.

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Post » Mon Sep 19, 2011 1:23 pm

You could use dragons shouts. I would have a weapon dude. You can still use one without perking it up. Your skill still affects it, I think.
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Post » Mon Sep 19, 2011 7:13 pm

Sneak has perks for daggers so I would just go ahead an use daggers. thats what I plan on doing on my second play through.
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