How can one abuse fast travel?

Exactly. The majority of us who are anti fast travel established a long time ago that we don't want it gone, we just want an alternative for us. Some people are just rude though.

"I want it my way, I don't give a damn if both can be easily implemented!" ...See? Rude.

We have fast travel, and we have the carriage system, Unlike oblivion you can now VIABLY ignore FT, no further actions need to be taken both options = flawles and the argument is over.

well if there is a hardcoe mode for skyrim like there was for new vegas im pretty sure it will get rid of fast travel if you choose to play it

I never understood why people think that Skyrim will have a hardcoe mode because New Vegas had one. They weren't designed by the same studio, just both published by Bethesda Softworks. Sure BGS and gamesas were synonymous at one time but BGS began being used independently with Morrowind. This is like saying that the final battle agains Alduin will actually be hitting a picture of Todd Howard's face through an invisible wall because gamesas also owns id Software. The whole concept is just completely [censored] daffy.

Will there be a hardcoe mode in Skyrim? Maybe. Will it be because Fallout NV had it? Not exactly. Will it be because a lot of people played NV and liked the hardcoe mode, assumed that since the Publisher is the same and it is an RPG it must have it? More likely than just because another game by the same publisher had it.

But with thirst, Thats a whole 'nother hot key! Nothing more hardcoe than Two key presses ever so often.

Ha!

I am amazed people still want to get rid of fast travel. Now there is a in game travel system and fast travel, so we get OB style and MW Stilt Strider style. I would think everyone on both sides of the debate would be happy now.

I asked for the same thing in NV, i think i know where your coming from. Ok, your in a town and you decide to go hunting for a bit, you find a cave, your inv. is a little full of hides and meats. WITH fast travel you zoom to town sell your $#*€ and zoom back to the cave. But without fast travel you have to hike back to town without being killed, rest, sell your goods, then embark on a spelunking trip. I say a perfect game to compare your idea with would be Red Dead Redemption. A BACKPACK, SATCHEL type thing should be included for a more realistic mood. Just sayin.

Walking back to town, along the same path you took to get there..... over the corpses of the guys you already killed, who haven't respawned. What, exactly, are you expecting to try to kill you?

About this whole fast travel debate. The only thing i wanted was an alternate way to travel sinstead of using the map. Well, Bethesda is giving it to us. So, i don't know what the purpose of having not fast travel serves.

Raiders that were stalking you set up an ambush....

All I've ever asked for is an "alternative" to Oblivions fast travel. Some people like that system so it shouldn't be removed entirely, but for those that don't there should be an ingame alternative to walking everywhere. I think carriages are what we've been asking for in that regard. There's really no need for a menu option to disable one or the other.

Because there's a clear psychological difference between not using something and disabling something.

Simply don't make use of fast travel if you prefer realism.
Theres no real reason to disable it.

Self control?

Which means in the back of your mind you're resisting the urge to do something rather than just playing the game, a good portion of people want the option or threads like this wouldn't crop up every few weeks, it doesn't seem unreasonable to me.

On the other hand, a good portion of people also want nvde Khajits...

So if there will be an option to turn fast travel off, what will stop you to turn it back on?

Having the option at character creation or only being allowed to toggle it a couple of times, like New Vegas' hardcoe mode.

Eh.

I don't like horses in Oblivion. Therefore, I don't use them. This does not lead to me (as I constantly restrain myself from throwing my character upon every horse I see) to think that I'm somehow failing to do something. :shrug:

If I didn't like Fast Travel in Oblivion, I believe that I would (in a similar manner) be able to restrain myself, without feeling like I'm "self-nerfing" (to use one of the more annoying terms I've seen used by the people who can't stop themselves from min/maxing at all times and yet still complain about being overpowered.....)

Well done, have a biscuit.

Seriously though, unmodded horses in Oblivion were barely better than running and quickly become redundant once your athletics skill rises, fast travel on the other hand lets you instantly appear on the other side of the world without a single bit of risk, I'd say that's a rather tempting feature and I don't feel any shame in saying that If I've just crawled out of a huge dungeon with barely a scrap of health and bags of loot but no potions I'd be tempted to use it, no biscuit for me :blush2:

Without an easy option I'm forced to crawl my way to the nearest outpost of civilisation in search of merchants or a bed rather than teleporting straight to the Imperial Marketplace in a perpetual Loot/Dump cycle.

It's absolutely a personal preference, maybe I've grown to love Fallout Wanderer's Edition and Morrowind too much.

I'm sure I'm not the first person to say this, but I'm going to say it anyway: If you don't want to use fast-travel, don't use it. Imagine that it doesn't exist. I don't see how not having the option would make it so much more realistic to you, when all you have to do is ignore it. :facepalm:

I'm currently playing through Oblivion in a role-playing style (Eating, Drinking, and sleeping when I normally wouldn't need to.) In addition to no fast traveling. While it's fun to forbid yourself from fast travel and treat your eyes and ears to the incredible environments between places, it can become more than tedious. Eating, drinking and sleeping should certainly be required in some type of mode for the true RPG fans such as myself. However, I've discovered returning to the same places without fast travel multiple times (ESPECIALLY Frostcraig Spire or whatever up in the mountains) gets repedative and boring. I merely pretend the key to the door has some special teleport incantation after walking there once. Which is why I still like to have fast travel. It's perfectly easy to just not use it.

Being able to disable fast travel would help some avoid the temptation of it while attempting the "just don't use it method." Sure, they could go back into options to re-enable it, but that would be an additional step that just might keep them on track. Why is having an option such a problem?


He did say optional so you can still get all the games in you would otherwise. I don't think he was talking about carraiges anyway.


Plenty of people are happy that the carriage system is being implemented. Some would like Fast Travel completely removed, but the carraige system greatly blunts their arguements as it gives them an option. Also, having an option in the menues to disable FT instead of removing it entirely from "hardcoe mode" would help those who don't want to use it and also help those like you (and me) who do. For the don't like it, don't use it arguement, see my answer above to Johner210 above in this post.


I would like FT and survival modes be on/off toggles in the options menu as I have yet to complete OB (alt-itis kicks in, I lost count of how many characters I've made after 40) and would like these features as options even on normal difficulty.

You know, for the PC version there's also a console, where you can type in many cheats and commands.

So why isn't people complaining about this too? There's an even bigger temptation to turn on God mode and kill everybody, so why isn't there anybody asking for a way to turn off the console?

A "true RPG fan" has nothing to do with simulating real world biological needs for the sake or realism. Realism for the sake of realism? If that's fun for you, kudos. But don't belittle the other fans that don't feel the same masochistic tendencies that you do, and separate them from yourself by claiming to be a "true RPG fan." What does that make us? I would simply call you a niche of RPG fans. While those that you might consider to be not the 'true fans,' are in fact the majority.

Hmm, that seems a little off topic, and probably fits better in the Tamagotchi thread...

I hope we get to see some in-game footage of the carriages in action soon, or some sort of dialogue that can give us a clue on the actual system behind the feature.