Well your first mistake was buying a ps3.

Telling a game company to fire its staff and hire new writers is not constructive criticism. And it is one of the best games ever made, regardless of whether Its story has a dozen branches to choose from and 8 factions to side with. It's sad you guys would rather spend time complaining than playing the game. Or another game for that matter.

I believe I've made constructive criticism multiple times. Dunno how you expect me to continue arguing my points though if your response to the criticism is nothing but "shutup it's the best game ever you crybaby" with no retort to the points that have been made whatsoever.

And I am playing another game. Fallout New Vegas. But that's the issue: the company didn't take a step forward with Skyrim, it fell down a flight of stairs. Now I worry what will become of the next Bethesda-published title and thus I voice my concern.

God you are an actual and literal troll. It was a mistake to buy a PS3, even though Bethesda came out and swore that each version (PC, Xbox, and PS3) would play the same? That's *my fault*?

The title is "employ proper story writers". That is constructive criticism if the poster feels the quest lines were poorly written/constructed. And many people share this feeling, even while praising the world and lore and music and art design as some of the best ever in a video game. It's a legitimate criticism for people who buy a roleplaying game for the quests rather than the beautiful scenery and music.

check my gt on xbox Aurilius..100% achievements.. u can see the dates on achievements.. game is shallow as hell.. and i consider myself an elder scrolls freak..

Here is me voicing my concern. Nv main story svcked so bad it wasn't funny. One of my favorite games ever, but story wise its just like all open world games....not great.

Pick group a, b or c is the only difference in story, and it wasnt a better game because of It. I hated being forced to pick sides when I didn't care about any of the factions or what they were going thru.

When I play tes and fo games I don't do it because they are known for excellent stories because personally I dont care about the main quest In any of these games. They could easily have no main quest and be just as good. The story is just what I do when Im looking for quests/rewards

*chuckles* And this game accuses me for being a child and at the same time practically denies any criticism towards his favourite dev? Irony gold.

Indeed. Seeing how one factor of the game was poor and thus voicing the opinion shouldn't be bashing at all. Actually, it means we see a room for an improvement. :tes:
I like the game, the scenery, the graphics (runs and looks good on my lappy) and the Bethesda exploration. But those quests are piss poor with no role-playing elements whatsoever.

Does that mean I hate Bethesda and Skyrim? I think the answer is more than obvious (and I guess only stern Bethesda Defense Forces folk will think otherwise. :goodjob:)

It svcks to be you because you'll never enjoy a game unless the story is amazing.

The story in skyrim was fine. If you want a shallow rpg experience with lots o choices play mass effect. It's a terrible rpg but I'm sure you'd love it.

Name a open world rpg that is as in depth as skyrim with a better story. Try not to say Nv.

Morrowind, Gothic 1 and 2, Fallout 1 and 2, Baldur's Gate 2, New Vegas.... you want me to go on?
And why shouldn't I say NV? Because it obviously has a better narrative, writing and atmosphere? :shifty:

Listen kid,
I can safely say that I have been a fan of the TES series long before you even were potty trained and will probably be long after your parents will stop giving you money to buy games.
That however still doesn't mean I give them a blank cheque on every BS and brainless loyalty.

You're just going to have to accept some people like to THINK and QUESTION and not just blindly follow like a mindless lemming. :shakehead:

BTW: And who says I can't enjoy a game without a story? Minecraft and Mount & Blade: Warbands disagrees. Next?

temple of elemental evil, baldurs gate, neverwinter nights hell i could go on an on.. all take place in worlds 1000 times bigger ( consider that open world no? ) only difference is TES has been 3rd or first person. clearly you have never played any TES before skyrim.and you miss the point of this discussion, we aint bashing skyrim.. its damn beautiful, but alas that beauty is skin deep.I will be trading in my console version for pc though.. and pray it gets the OOO treatment.

This.

As for the OOO treatment, it will happen. Creation Kit is coming in January 2012 so expect a full rain of nvde body mods huge overhauls :drool:

Mass Effect terrible? A terrible RPG that won game of the year last year. It may not be Open World, but that is a good example of an RPG with characters and quests that aren't shallow. In response to your New Vegas criticism, at least New Vegas had 3 choices instead of 2. In New Vegas each faction had different quests for who you chose in the Main Quest, compared to Skyrim which follows an almost identical quest line regardless of which side you pick. I'd almost rather the game fade to black and be over than have no real consequences for the side I picked.

Stop refuting Skyrim's flaws and denying constructive criticism just because you can't stand to see people talk about the problems with the game. No one is going to name a better RPG that you'll agree with because you won't change your opinion despite what anyone says. No one is going to persuade you because you don't want to be persuaded. If you're going to argue with people that are critical of the game, please have an actual argument. Plugging your ears while screaming "LALALALALA IM NOT LISTENING, SKYRIMS BETTER" doesn't help anyone.

Hmmm, let me put it this way then....

Did the story of New Vegas, in any way, HARM your experience? You said it's one of your favorite games, didn't you? And that despite the fact that you don't care about story, which is New Vegas' strongpoint.
So you're perfectly capable of playing the game without focusing on the story and that's great for you, but that doesn't cut it for some of us. Some of us thoroughly enjoy a good story in an RPG game. We don't seek an adrenaline-pumping game or good graphics or realistic design or whatever other possibilities there are: we want a good book.

So imagine if you will, that we were fans of the books in Oblivion. Yknow, the ones you can pick up and read at any time. Some of them are skill books and for many reasons players constantly check books, but some players do actually read those books. Imagine those books had an actual fanbase, and then when Skyrim came out, unlike Oblivion and Morrowind, it simply had no books. Imagine they, for whatever reason, simply chose not to include books. Now that book fanbase is, of course, disappointed.
Do you care? Of course not. You played for the action and adventure, not for the books. But did those books ever hinder your own, personal experience? Not at all. Skyrim could've had those books and you would've loved the game all the same.

And this is the issue we have. A good story doesn't detract from anything. Hell, a good story is VERY important, imo. And yet for some reason, Skyrim is severely lacking in story and characters. People like you may still love the game all the same and that's great for you, but objectively, has this game given us less content than usual? Yes, yes it has, because usually the TES games and Fallout titles have had far more backround story than Skyrim does. And again, if the story was there, you would love the game all the same. So objectively, the game IS missing content. Why did they cut-down on story when it wouldn't hurt their game at all?

And that's our complaint. Game storyline is our favorite department, and from what we see, funding for the storyline department has been severely cut. But there's NO reason for this. None whatsoever. AI wasn't improved, combat was barely improved (arguable too, since the magic casters sure don't sound pleased), stealth hasn't really improved, character customization hasn't improved....the only thing that possibly improved is the scenery and the world they've created, and that's debateable, when you consider that it's only natural for a game to improve it's graphics over time. So why? Why did they do this? Why couldn't they be bothered to add some more quests to the factions? We're concerned, because it looks like laziness or neglect. We voice our opinion because we DON'T want this to happen again.


Now, to flip the discussion....

If you can enjoy New Vegas just fine without paying attention to the story and story is totally meaningless to you, why do you bother telling people who criticize the story of Skyrim that they're spoiled and should shutup?

Lmao. Im a kid now who has never played tes before skyrim. Hmmm I remember playing morrowind when I was 13 and getting it the day It was released. But hey I'm sure you already knew that.

I've played them all, and skyrim is the best. Fo is an amazing series In its own right. Tes and fo games are literally my favorite games ever made, all of them. They are the type of game I wait for and play for years and.hundreds of hours.

Nv having a better story is not criticism it is opinion, just like my opinion is the story svcked In that game. Was there more depth and choices? Yes, but the STORY didnt do it for me. I also didnt particularly care for obs story, or Mw for that matter.

I'm not playing these games and they aren't my favorite games because the stories are incredible. None of them have been. But I don't go on the forums for each game and tell the creators they need to hire new writers. That is childish and pathetic and it will never get you what you want. At the end of the day, the stories remain the same.

There Is so much more to these games than there simple main quest story lines. God, I didn't even start the main quest on skyrim til I was over 100 hours In. The game is amazing just like ob, Mw, fo3 and Nv were. I have never measured any of these games by story because that isn't what makes them and never has been

Guys, don't feed the troll (itsgrady).

For the record I have not told anyone to shut up. Twice now someone has said that I said that. It's not true.

I sai earlier In this thread that ill be the first to admit skyrim has flaws, even a lot of them. But I have never played a game that I didn't say " well they could have done this better" or so on. Every game has flaws. Do I go online and complain about It? Sometimes. Do I tell a multi million dollar company to hire new writers? No, thats just [censored] absurd.

Sometimes Its more fun to play a game and enjoy it, rather than obsess over all the ways It could be better. That doesn't mean criticism should stop. But if people spent half as much time playing skyrim as they do [censored]ing about it they might actually have a little fun.

Every game (everything for that matter) has flaws or things I would change. But the thing is if I spend all my time thinking about it and posting online rants, id never get tp.enjoy any of them. Like I said I didnt care for the story in Nv. But that never stopped me from playing hundreds of hours In it, and I never went online to tell obsidian to hire new writers

How am I a troll for not agreeing with you?

You guys say I'm ridiculous for defending bethesda and noy agreeing that the story Is the worst writing ever created. But aren't you all doing the exact same thing by disagreeing with me?

Guess we are all trolls since we have different opinions

I can't even bring myself to play Skyrim. No joke.
Played the main quest, played the factions, did several of the Daedric quests and not a single thing has stopped me and made me think "wow this is cool." If someone knows a particularly interesting portion of the game, I'd love to hear it. However, I myself have already played the game chasing after "really cool things" people found and every single one was a disappointment. I have things to do, and thus I'm not going to waste time playing the game just to hunt a broken promise. Criticism on these forums? Takes 5 minutes, can be done while I'm studying or doing something else, and it might help improve future titles. I stick to doing this.

Actually, it could well get us what we want. There's already some backlash about the shallowness of the game on other gaming sites now the shine of the pretty graphics and new mechanics have worn off. There's nothing childish about pointing out what you find disappointing about a game unless your being a troll about it. Most everyone here has been very constructive. You don't find NV's story, characters and depth to be incredible. A lot of people and critics do. It was a true FO game as opposed to FO3. I'd argue that 99% of the classic, best reviewed, best loved western RPGs out there are because of the story and the impact you are able to make on the story.



What else is there really? Without story and interesting characters you're left with what exactly? A first person dungeon delver? Is that all TES should be?

Given the parts they've actually gotten right in prior games(FNV is a monument of both excellent characters/immersion as well as severely buggy and lagging gameplay), it's just frustrated to see one step forward, two steps back. Here's a hint, quit trying to tighten up those graphics in each new game and focus on making the game run more smoothly and developing a more immersive/character-driven world.

you are either a troll or completely stoopid , and this is the last time ill bother trying to get this through to you, and as you have now said yourself, stating you have played previous TES titles... it is a very shallow experience when it comes to quests and dialogue.It comes across as a glammed up oblivion with less depth. Even folk n friends i know who dont usually play such games have gone...wtf...

See. this above post is bashing the game.

Skyrim is so horrible you can't play it whatsoever? That is ridiculous and you are saying that Nv was that Nuh better?

I cannot and will not agree, I feel you are exaggerating skyrim and maybe tes is just not a game for you. thats fine. But saying the game Is so bad you won't play it at all is just trash talk. It's not constructive and its not even criticism.

I'm not saying that I wouldnt enjoy better writing or it would hurt my play through. I'm saying the game is great already.

Unless, of course, you're talking about the United States government =P

dont think that grady guy understood the point of this thread but anywho. And despite all its problems im on my third playthrough and will most likely continue playing it anyhow.

You were trolling because you were calling people liars, [censored]s, telling them to [censored] off and go play other [censored] games, and generally being hostile for no apparent reason.

I'm fine with people disagreeing. I'm not fine with people acting like ass-hats while they do so.

Thread is now about how amazing Fallout New Vegas is.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sDb7Rt81kpY&feature=g-vrec