PLEASE ! change the design of dragons : V - Skyrim

» Sat Feb 19, 2011 6:25 am

This.

lul

Totally man. Totally.

» Sat Feb 19, 2011 9:57 am

I'm pretty sure they were specifically trying to NOT make them 'majestic' and 'beautiful' but rather brutal, tattered, primal, and other such descriptors. Monstrous and threatening, something to be feared, not admired.

» Fri Feb 18, 2011 9:42 pm

In fact, there was talk of anatomical appearance, not reality

only aesthetic

Really?

... and if your intention is to create breathtaking creatures, you should make with enormous wings (because more realistic) the ...

Not reality?

error bar, I mean realistic.

Not reality?

I told that to mean realistic, i mean PROBABLE you know?

Not reality?

You beat people over the head a lot with how you meant "reality" for someone who claims "...there was talk of anatomical appearance, not reality." :facepalm:

» Sat Feb 19, 2011 8:43 am

if you want one so bad scrap together 500 dollars and get a 3d modeler to create a dragon for you, I know of a good model and I could rig it for you for a little fee, jking

also as for the people who say it is not realistic, there is an old saying, on paper birds and helicopters dont fly
and dragons are supposed to be magical creatures, they use magic to fly, wings to guide

» Sat Feb 19, 2011 7:05 am

The fact that ES dragons have only 2 legs bothers me somewhat. Aren't 2 legged dragons called wyverns?

Actually two legged Dragons are The Realistic approach, a 4 legged and 2 wings is a six limbed creature that doesn't exhist in Any Vertebrates species .

» Fri Feb 18, 2011 10:31 pm

Umm, the dragons look amazing. Also, it has been said that the dragons actually fly through the power of their language, not from the aerodynamics of their wings.

Wyverns are a type of dragon, so I don't see a problem. Also, if you had the GI mag, you would see a dragon with 4 legs crouched on the ground breathing fire at the character. It is a sweet screenshot.

That one doesn't have four legs, it's walking on its wings, like the Pteranodons in that bane of the series, Jurassic Park 3. I think it looks awesome, and is a great idea.

» Fri Feb 18, 2011 9:04 pm

Please change the design on the Dragons, who have already seen in the screenshots that run on the network make me think badly.
They do not seem wyverns dragons but have heavy limbs and stocky and short, stubby wings, and if your intention is to create breathtaking creatures, you should make with enormous wings (because more realistic) the beauty and majesty of a dragon not be judged by the size of fat body and muscular, but his wingspan is not wide-eyed leaving his quadricipidi.
Please Carofano Matthew least change the design of the wings, Akatosh in Oblivion looked like a cocatrix or a big rooster(in every sense :whistling:) you and your staff have an incredible creativity and a way of drawing lofty but please as skyrim is focusing on the dragons do not fulfill them as I see here
http://www.gamereactor.no/media/59/elderscrolls5_235966.jpg
http://www.gameplayer.it/novita/immagini/prime_info_e_immagini_per_the_elder_scrolls_skyrim_1.jpg
but this is the idea that I have of dragons.
http://www.milesteves.com/gallery/d/931-2/Drag-X5-72.jpg
http://www.milesteves.com/gallery/d/1170-2/ROF-big-Ashley-72.jpg
http://www.milesteves.com/gallery/d/1131-2/ROF-crouch-3-72.jpg
http://www.milesteves.com/gallery/d/1108-2/ROF-crouch-6.jpg
http://www.statuetopia.com/i//RoF3.JPG

And I will stop here
I chose not to be those in the photos because the design seems more consistent with the TES logo
If you believe that I am raving do a survey and maybe you feel like-minded others

PS.
The staff of Skyrim Board to review the film Dragonslayer (1981) could be an inspiration.
Always consider the anatomy of the existing creture and return it to the screen, is a formula that always wins;)
Matthew I believe in you.
Sorry for my english.

dude BETHESDA has done a great job seroulsy i can't believe you can complain at all. how about you build a better dragon

» Sat Feb 19, 2011 8:29 am

Why do people have such a hangup when it comes to the word "realistic"? Realism does NOT mean "exactly like reality down to every single detail". It's being used here as a synonym to believability, which is a perfectly valid definition of the word. In order to not find the world we're playing in jarring, it needs to be believable. Even fantasy worlds have rules and limitations. If they don't, it becomes unconvincing.

Do you honestly think that while playing you would notice or care? I am not sure how believability can be compromised by something that is unknown, how much does a dragon weigh? I don't know. For all I know it could have bones made from neutron star like material and when it flies the orbits of the moons change and the tides shift. It seems to me like the equivalent of looking at a Argonian in the game and saying, "There is no way it has a lung capacity large enough to survive underwater for that long without passing out and drowning."

» Fri Feb 18, 2011 8:49 pm

When I see a dragon with huge wings, the first thought that goes through my head is "He probably can't fly in a cave," not "Oh ****, oh ****, I'm going to die."

People fear muscle.

I'm sure he'll appreciate you running into a hole so he can kill you with just one breath of fire.

On topic:

I don't think your personal opinion of what kind of dragon is more cool is a good enough reason to completely gut the key game feature they've had a team working on for two years.

» Sat Feb 19, 2011 1:09 am

Actually two legged Dragons are The Realistic approach, a 4 legged and 2 wings is a six limbed creature that doesn't exhist in Any Vertebrates species .

That one doesn't have four legs, it's walking on its wings, like the Pteranodons in that bane of the series, Jurassic Park 3. I think it looks awesome, and is a great idea.

And looks realistic ...

Anyway When I first saw a documentary on how to build a realistic Dragon according to Bioogy rules I was also a bit surprised that the Dragon didn't come out with 4 legs and two wings but after thinking about it It made perfect sense and in the end looked even Great....

» Sat Feb 19, 2011 2:10 am

Geez. People complain about everything. Are you serious? They look fine to me. Keep in mind that Tamriel dragons are unique and different from other dragons. Being that, well, um... THEY DON'T EXIST in real life, there's no text-book version of them and therefore whoever creates them can make them however they want. Orc's are another example of this. Elder Scrolls Orcs are very different from Lord of the Rings orcs, and that's just fine.

» Sat Feb 19, 2011 5:39 am

Ok.
#1, You've seen one type of Dragon that will be in Skyrim. Todd Howard himself stated that there will be many types of Dragons. This is just one type.
#2, It looks amazing. You're on crack.

» Sat Feb 19, 2011 8:57 am

I'm pretty sure they were specifically trying to NOT make them 'majestic' and 'beautiful' but rather brutal, tattered, primal, and other such descriptors. Monstrous and threatening, something to be feared, not admired.

Exactly!

Wimpy girly dragons are what the topic creator wants in the game (Going on his suggestion pictures)

Let them stay in Disney movies thanks!

Bethesda has worked so hard on the dragons we have and they are sooooooo good, I can't believe somebody would complain about something like this.. they are PERFECT! Everyone loves them besides a select few(This is the very first time I have heard anything other than praise for the dragons)

Seriously, the design and look of dragons is what Skyrim has probably been complimented most on by almost all the big name gaming websites/magazines.. They are great!

I can't believe this guy thinks they would throw away 5 years of design for a copy pasta of a "How to train your dragon" dragon.

» Sat Feb 19, 2011 1:10 am

The current dragons look bulkier, stronger, and consequently scarier. I like them much more than the traditional concept of "big snakes with wings."

» Fri Feb 18, 2011 8:20 pm

Do you honestly think that while playing you would notice or care? I am not sure how believability can be compromised by something that is unknown...

1. Yes, yes I would. Same way I noticed that Oblivion's default graphics make everything look like I'm playing with plastic dolls instead of tromping through a fantasy world. :meh:

2. Are you really trying to tell me that it doesn't play a role at all? If this thing had no wings and were hovering towards you can you honestly sit there and say it wouldn't look completely silly and take away the menacing feel it was supposed to have?

» Sat Feb 19, 2011 12:12 am

...OP, are you high?

» Sat Feb 19, 2011 10:09 am

1. Yes, yes I would. Same way I noticed that Oblivion's default graphics make everything look like I'm playing with plastic dolls instead of tromping through a fantasy world. :meh:

2. Are you really trying to tell me that it doesn't play a role at all? If this thing had no wings and were hovering towards you can you honestly sit there and say it wouldn't look completely silly and take away the menacing feel it was supposed to have?

I'm saying that it is impossible for you to know if the wing is to small. I look at the wing and it doesn't look like a small dragon in a cartoon with wings a foot across. It has good sized wings and a fearsome design. If it was pink and shot rainbows at me I would totally agree. It however isn't. It is cool looking and I don't see any reason to believe the wings are two small.

» Fri Feb 18, 2011 10:35 pm

I actually think those examples you gave have an unrealistically large wingspan. They would be way too heavy and impossible to flap. Most flying animals have wingspans equal to (about) 1 and 1/2 of their body. Since dragons have long, lizard like tails (unusual for flying creatures) it's hard to say how large they should be.

» Fri Feb 18, 2011 8:14 pm

They look fine. I definitely don't want a Rathian or Rathalos style dragon. They are more medievelish designed.

» Sat Feb 19, 2011 8:49 am

Your idea of dragon wings look like bats.

» Sat Feb 19, 2011 12:25 am

Dragonslayer (1981) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HZ6v1xZdIS8 always reminded me of a wyvern, a nicely done wyvern, but non the less a wyvern.

Some of the best dragons I've ever seen are from http://www.spawn.com/features/dragons/

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kobR95IZSBs Some here as well,

» Sat Feb 19, 2011 10:04 am

Not reality?

You beat people over the head a lot with how you meant "reality" for someone who claims "...there was talk of anatomical appearance, not reality."

I see that you still do not understand or pretend not to understand others have arrived there, and you?

We intent to realistic, as "likely", "probable" credible "and not to be a perfect simulation of flight.

Now do you understand?

Otherwise I do not know how to explain it.

» Sat Feb 19, 2011 1:51 am

How do you know what is and isn't realistic by your definition? It is a fantasy game with magical dragons. How do you know their wings are to small?

» Fri Feb 18, 2011 10:10 pm

I see that you still do not understand or pretend not to understand others have arrived there, and you?

We intent to realistic, as "likely", "probable" credible "and not to be a perfect simulation of flight.

Now do you understand?

Otherwise I do not know how to explain it.

yes becuase everything about the ES is likely, I dont know about you, but when I kill something its soul always goes into a gemstone I have on me, also whenever I want to start a fire I can just cast if from my hands. its a video game it doesn't have to be probable all the time. Also dragons fly by magic wings just guide them.

» Fri Feb 18, 2011 8:24 pm

I really wouldn't mind if they only had two legs. Remember the http://www.alicia-logic.com/capsimages01/hp4gf_072HungarianHorntail.jpg from the fourth Harry Potter movie?