What !

Actually it seems to me the same as that of Divinity 2 Ego Draconis which is quite sad.

Wyverns and dragons are different creatures.

If you like lizards with wings, then I do not know what to say.

King Edward part XII

The dragons look awesome to me. "More realistic?" What? They're dragons. O_o When you're dealing with a fantasy creature, "realism" is subjective.

Regardless though, they've had a dedicated team working on the dragons for 2 years +. I doubt they're going to change them at this time.

You, sir, are awesome. :rofl:

And on topic, realism is too d*** bulky for a dragon. Nature laughs at the concept. Earth has yet to see a healthy vertebrate hexpod, so your pictures are already out on the realism subject. Think about how many totally random evolutionary turns it would take to get one. If it's beyond you, read this: http://www.popsci.com/science/article/2010-07/if-evolution-had-taken-different-turn-could-dragons-have-existed

Wyverns, which is more or less how Bethesda portrays their dragons, are more likely than Western dragons, and magic makes up for the rest.



More like this:

"Moraelyn asked with a smile, 'All right then, I've always wanted to know this - considering the shape of your mouth and teeth, how do dragons manage to speak the humanoid languages so clearly?'

Akatosh paused, and then carefully responded, "Screeeeeeeeeeeaaaaarrrooououuurgh!"

I quite like how vicious and ridge/bony the Dragons look to be honest. Dragons in other games don't impress me at all, its just "oh... another dragon, meh" and I like dragons! Everyone makes them look like traditional DnD ones though, and that gets very boring.

error bar, I mean realistic.

Ok according to your reasoning because we are in a fantasy then even the horses can fly without wings.

have a better idea of fantasy compliment.

I think the dragons looks amazing. I can't wait to see how they move and sound.

I also believe that they would have went through numerous designs before settling on the ones they have now. I would also like to point out that for all we know we've only seen one type of dragon. Todd stated in the podcast there are several types after all.

I agree with the OP, in that more sinuous, serpentine, huge-winged dragons generally look far nicer, and are much less likely to look silly in flight.

I loved the dragon designs in the film Reign of Fire: http://content7.flixster.com/skin/profile/68/78/29/6878297_profile_mbox_background.jpg

There may be a reason why this type of dragon is never (that I know of) attempted in modern computer games, though. The massive wingspan and very complex shape of a more sinuous body would make them very difficult to animate and interact with in the gameworld, I think.

I stopped reading at "realistic".

You beat me to it! lol perfect

*edit*
Ill at least add a link to read the full version:
http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Daggerfall:King_Edward

As a reply to Argenti cos i'm really bad a quoting
I always thought that Dragons were effectively Lizards with wings
Post was a little while back but i'm slow to bother to reply

Yes. It's called levitation. If it's in the game, and if it can be applied to a horse, then they can levitate.

I just created a fantasy scenario under which horses can fly.

I must agree here. I would like to point out though that the body and the overall design of the dragon look great. I definitely wouldn't want that to change, the artistic style and the spiked back and otherwise filled out body frame I think looks great. It is just the wingspan for me personally, I would like that to be twice as big at least.

I can only hope But just know, if you are reading this dev team that my first impression was "Wow that looks gorgeous". Cheers!

I love the dragons we've seen for Skyrim so far.

Just sayin'.

but you read what I wrote or write just to say something at random.

I told that to mean realistic,i mean PROBABLE you know?
Even in the classic fantasy there is a limit to the crap.
if with the excuse that since it is a fantasy then anything goes, then I want the chickens with the feet of an elephant and the tail of a jaguar.
But that TES is not impossible creatures
http://www.microsoft.com/games/impossiblecreatures/

There could well be magic horses that can fly without wings... that is fantasy.

You are right though, "reality" does play a role in design, to be relatable a concept(such as for a fantasy creature) must be grounded in that realism. However, realism takes a backseat in design, it is NOT the priority, just something that helps. If the design is compromised by realism, then it must give way to the design. In this case, the developers at Bethesda decided that there was enough realism in the dragons to be an effective design.

Realism plays an important role, but it is not "king."

Either dragon would look awesome. I just want to fight/run away from dragons. MH dragons are awesome, too!

in fact the ones I posted are sculptures made from reign of fire :wink_smile:

Ok Chimer_Warrior you keep the turkeys flying, I prefer dragons serious, giving a realistic feeling and not hypothetical

Some turkeys can fly.
And I highly doubt the first thing we'll think when a dragon swoops down on us is 'Well that's unrealistic'

Yeah, I disagree entirely.

i think its a bit crazy to assume bethesda will come on here and take anybodys advice- a lot of people here are guilty of that
plus theyd have to fire a lot of people if our ideas were better than theirs
i think the dragons in the game look great- some of the best stuff we've seen so far

however
the dragons in his examples look amazing
how could anybody possibly argue with the guy that dragons cant fly if their wings arent big enough
the 'realism' that hes trying to defend here is a ratio that MUST exist for anything of any weight to get off the ground
yes even in a fantasy world

they arent airplanes
they have to flap the wings to lift themselves
unless they climb a big hill and jump off

Read what I said. Realism, is not the goal in design, it is a tool. Realism is competing with many other aspects that they have to keep in mind.



Also, as two people have already pointed out, the wingspans of dragons as being smaller than is "logical" is already written in lore.


BTW: Reign of fire - Probably one of the worst dragon movies ever made. I was utterly disappointed with it. Perhaps they spent TO MUCH time making them realistic and not enough time on actually make the movie.

Though... Dragonslayer is good.

But look I did it also and above all a matter of design, dragons with wings usually give me a great impression of sumptuous and elegant, just as it should be a mythical creature like the dragon.

I answered only to those who challenged the word "realistic"

I make onsite a matter of aesthetics, the dragons short and stocky remind me of the most wyverns creaure surrogate or a dragon, that's all

Read what I said. Realism, is not the goal in design, it is a tool. Realism is competing with many other aspects that they have to keep in mind.





I'm sorry but tell me where the lore is realized that the dragons must have stubby wings?

Reign of Fire is a movie really bad and stupid, in fact I was referring only aspect of the beast

Dragonslayer think is the best film I've seen so far on dragons :wink_smile:

I think both "your" dragons and bethesdas dragons look kinda meh... Then again i've never really been a fan of dragons in general either.

That is exactly the point I am trying to make. The design of THESE dragons, is NOT meant to be "sumptuous and elegant." I dare say, nothing in Skyrim is "elegant." Its nitty-gritty, everything is rough and uncivilized. Its raw nature in Skryim.

That is the design they are going for. The Art Direction(design) is paramount, and it can and should overrule realism when realism compromises the design. In a different game or movie, your "elegant" dragons may fit in perfectly, but that doesn't mean they should everywhere just because that is MOST realistic.