PLEASE ! change the design of dragons

Post » Sat Feb 19, 2011 10:32 am

Please change the design on the Dragons, who have already seen in the screenshots that run on the network make me think badly.
They do not seem wyverns dragons but have heavy limbs and stocky and short, stubby wings, and if your intention is to create breathtaking creatures, you should make with enormous wings (because more realistic) the beauty and majesty of a dragon not be judged by the size of fat body and muscular, but his wingspan is not wide-eyed leaving his quadricipidi.
Please Carofano Matthew least change the design of the wings, Akatosh in Oblivion looked like a cocatrix or a big rooster(in every sense :whistling:) you and your staff have an incredible creativity and a way of drawing lofty but please as skyrim is focusing on the dragons do not fulfill them as I see here
[img]http://www.gamereactor.no/media/59/elderscrolls5_235966.jpg[/img]
[img]http://www.gameplayer.it/novita/immagini/prime_info_e_immagini_per_the_elder_scrolls_skyrim_1.jpg[/img]
but this is the idea that I have of dragons.
[img]http://www.milesteves.com/gallery/d/931-2/Drag-X5-72.jpg[/img]
[img]http://www.milesteves.com/gallery/d/1170-2/ROF-big-Ashley-72.jpg[/img]
[img]http://www.milesteves.com/gallery/d/1131-2/ROF-crouch-3-72.jpg[/img]
[img]http://www.milesteves.com/gallery/d/1108-2/ROF-crouch-6.jpg[/img]
[img]http://www.statuetopia.com/i//RoF3.JPG[/img]

And I will stop here
I chose not to be those in the photos because the design seems more consistent with the TES logo
If you believe that I am raving do a survey and maybe you feel like-minded others

PS.
The staff of Skyrim Board to review the film Dragonslayer (1981) could be an inspiration.
Always consider the anatomy of the existing creture and return it to the screen, is a formula that always wins;)
Matthew I believe in you.
Sorry for my english.


whats wrong with this guy?

your so wrong
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Tammie Flint
 
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Post » Sat Feb 19, 2011 8:09 am

I love the Skyrim designs for the same reasons Chimer Warrior stated. I love how they look gritty and realistic. The LAST thing we need is Mary Sue dragons who are elegant, powerful, and infallible. I spit on the notion of even slightly pretty dragons. I want a mean, ugly, Smaug dragon.
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Post » Fri Feb 18, 2011 7:11 pm

Read what I said. Realism, is not the goal in design, it is a tool. Realism is competing with many other aspects that they have to keep in mind.


Now read what I'm saying: Bethesda has their dragons designed. See those screenshots you're complaining about? That's what you're going to be fighting in Skyrim. They're not going to push the game's release date back to design all new dragons because you don't like what they've already spent a a year and then some on. Enjoy. :D
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Post » Sat Feb 19, 2011 10:42 am

Careful Tulio he's not a happy bunny
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Brandi Norton
 
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Post » Sat Feb 19, 2011 2:05 am

The articles said there will be more variation of dragons. If the npcs look as good as in the tavern pic, I believe they put a lot of time into the dragon modelling as well because they are a huge part of the game, aren't they. Besides, their anatomy is just a thing, the whole impression is also made by how they move and how they sound.
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Post » Sat Feb 19, 2011 8:26 am

I'm sorry but tell me where the lore is realized that the dragons must have stubby wings?


http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Daggerfall:King_Edward

Its close to the bottom of the page.

"Moraelyn asked with a smile, "All right then, I've always wanted to know this - considering the shape of your mouth and teeth,
how do dragons manage to speak the humanoid languages so clearly?"

Akatosh paused, and then carefully responded, "Why, in much the same way that we can fly, even though our wings are not
naturally strong enough to support such heavy torsos."
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CArlos BArrera
 
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Post » Sat Feb 19, 2011 10:26 am

I kinda like these dragons.

Ignore the avatar.
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Jeremy Kenney
 
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Post » Fri Feb 18, 2011 9:11 pm

Sorry man, I totally disagree with you on this one. The current design of the dragons looks great. Beefy and gritty just like Skyrim. The pictures of the dragon you posted looks like a cross between a raptor and a bat. As far of the size goes, its tough to gauge how big they actually are. The only pics I have seen has the dragon off in the distance so it is tough to tell. The close up pic of the dragon alone doesn't have anything to scale it to so again it is tough to tell the true size. I think they have done well in this regard, can't wait till the first one swoops down at me.
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Lisa Robb
 
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Post » Fri Feb 18, 2011 11:23 pm

Alduin must be twice as big as Deathwing.
'nuff said
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Post » Sat Feb 19, 2011 6:07 am

http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Daggerfall:King_Edward

Its close to the bottom of the page.

"Moraelyn asked with a smile, "All right then, I've always wanted to know this - considering the shape of your mouth and teeth,
how do dragons manage to speak the humanoid languages so clearly?"

Akatosh paused, and then carefully responded, "Why, in much the same way that we can fly, even though our wings are not
naturally strong enough to support such heavy torsos."

That doesn't say a thing about stubby wings. It says their wings aren't strong enough to support their huge torsos. It's like if birds didn't have pockets in their bones. They would weigh too much.

You are making the assumption that they must be totally natural, whereas the book made it pretty clear that they magic plays a big part with dragons. The question "How can you speak humanoid languages so clearly", despite shape of their mouth and teeth, and then the answer "the same way we fly", clearly implies magic, because the second answer corresponds to the first question. They must speak using magic (how else would they speak?), so they must also FLY with magic (at least partially).

Dragons ARE magical creatures. It could easily be a combination of magic and nature, considering their magical nature! :D

In addition, recall that King Edward XII is simply a book written by an author of Tamriel. Many books have been wrong before, mostly books that aren't strictly research books. We don't expect a Tom Clancy novel to be representative of how our world actually works, so we definitely shouldn't trust a drama book to be representative of how Tamriel really works.
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Post » Fri Feb 18, 2011 10:05 pm

Yeah dragons are effectively mythical in a fantasy world, they don't have to work on our levels of reality necessarily
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Cody Banks
 
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Post » Fri Feb 18, 2011 9:43 pm

1. the Dragons look fine.

2. A small group of dev's worked on them for YEARS, thats a LONG time. I doubt that Beth would just throw out all of that work.
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Post » Sat Feb 19, 2011 2:24 am

That doesn't say a thing about stubby wings. It says their wings aren't strong enough to support their huge torsos. It's like if birds didn't have pockets in their bones. They would weigh too much.

You are making the assumption that they must be totally natural, whereas the book made it pretty clear that they magic plays a big part with dragons. The question "How can you speak humanoid languages so clearly", despite shape of their mouth and teeth, and then the answer "the same way we fly", clearly implies magic, because the second answer corresponds to the first question. They must speak using magic (how else would they speak?), so they must also FLY with magic (at least partially).

Dragons ARE magical creatures. It could easily be a combination of magic and nature, considering their magical nature! :D


Obviously the lore didn't use the word stubby. That was the OP's own input.

But it does suggest that their wings are smaller than would logically allow them to fly. So, as you said, they would require magic.

EDIT: "Magical Nature" i see what you did there :P
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Post » Sat Feb 19, 2011 1:11 am

That is exactly the point I am trying to make. The design of THESE dragons, is NOT meant to be "sumptuous and elegant." I dare say, nothing in Skyrim is "elegant." Its nitty-gritty, everything is rough and uncivilized. Its raw nature in Skryim.

That is the design they are going for. The Art Direction(design) is paramount, and it can and should overrule realism when realism compromises the design. In a different game or movie, your "elegant" dragons may fit in perfectly, but that doesn't mean they should everywhere just because that is MOST realistic.


I understand what you mean, so that sounds better.

Now read what I'm saying: Bethesda has their dragons designed. See those screenshots you're complaining about? That's what you're going to be fighting in Skyrim. They're not going to push the game's release date back to design all new dragons because you don't like what they've already spent a a year and then some on. Enjoy


the problem is that only now have come out the screenshots on their work, if I had known sooner I would have objected to before.

However after reading the part of the Lore, I'm not complaining more, forever silent.
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Post » Sat Feb 19, 2011 8:09 am

Obviously the lore didn't use the word stubby. That was the OP's own input.

But it does suggest that their wings are smaller than would logically allow them to fly. So, as you said, they would require magic.

It can just as easily suggest, exactly as Akatosh said, that their torsos are too large. Just because an automobile goes slowly doesn't mean its wheels are too small; its frame might be too heavy. It isn't that the dragon's wings are too small, its that their bodies are too heavy (no hollow bones, no hollow sacs full of light gases, and other such scientific explanations for such large creatures to be able to fly).
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Post » Fri Feb 18, 2011 7:40 pm

Alduin must be twice as big as Deathwing.
'nuff said

Nah, I bet Deathwing can have Alduin for breakfast!
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Post » Sat Feb 19, 2011 11:09 am

Dragons look absolutely awesome. :)
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Miguel
 
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Post » Sat Feb 19, 2011 10:20 am

Victory! I am claiming this as the first example of arguing on the internet that has a win!... or wait we all win? With understand? *grumbles* special olympics my ass.

Glad I could help though man, hopefully, through this, they won't bug you so much once you play the game. Just enjoy it!
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Rudi Carter
 
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Post » Sat Feb 19, 2011 7:15 am

Get over yourself, their not changing, its to far into developement.

The dragons look fine, and many people are satisfied.
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Kim Bradley
 
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Post » Sat Feb 19, 2011 7:40 am

Get over yourself, their not changing, its to far into developement.

The dragons look fine, and many people are satisfied.

Really like Chimer_Warrior rightly says must not seem fine but the exact opposite, rough and primitive
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Post » Sat Feb 19, 2011 8:58 am

It can just as easily suggest, exactly as Akatosh said, that their torsos are too large. Just because an automobile goes slowly doesn't mean its wheels are too small; its frame might be too heavy. It isn't that the dragon's wings are too small, its that their bodies are too heavy (no hollow bones, no hollow sacs full of light gases, and other such scientific explanations for such large creatures to be able to fly).

That's true. It could mean that.
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Post » Sat Feb 19, 2011 12:12 am

no man just no, you know how long that takes to model and animate they are not gonna redo the entire thing just because you think it is "realistic"
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Post » Fri Feb 18, 2011 7:26 pm

Clearly Bethesda was going for the Dragon Tale's look hence the design: large body, small wings etc. XD

I for one like my dragons to have a massive wingspan, the kind that when unfurled nearly blot out the sun in all their leathery magnificence.

But hey, Dragon Tale dragons are pretty bad@ss too
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Ernesto Salinas
 
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Post » Sat Feb 19, 2011 12:24 am

I prefer the more powerful looking dragons to the more pterodactyl style, realistic anatomy or not.
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Post » Fri Feb 18, 2011 7:50 pm

... what if dragons cast a levitate spell on themselves and then just use their wings to propel themselves forward faster but not to stay airborne ?

:o I think we just found a use for dispell !
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