nah they would more than likely use shouts

and I always used dispell on conjurers

In fact, there was talk of anatomical appearance, not reality

only aesthetic

I think all the dragons look good... The only thing I don't really like perse is where the wings end, if they went down a little closer to the body I think it would look a little nicer, but the wingspan is fine.... As its been said realism isn't the goal, if it was then there wouldn't be any dragons in it in the first place... Though going too fantasy is a bad thing also, "don't like the wings?" alright how about no more wings, now they can just float around!....

I agree that big wings on dragons do look good, but that doesn't mean Beth. should change anything, it's their take on dragons... Also already stated Beth. Isn't going to change anything just because some people don't like it, not only is it way to far into development, but lets face it more people wanted spears in Skyrim then people want different wings & look at that, no spears... I also love the Reign Of Fire dragons even though the movie was scratch...

On the realism note, part of why I don't like where the dragon wings end is because wings are supposed to catch air (among other things, lets not get know-it-all) & having the wings end there seems like they couldn't catch air very well, which I THINK most can agree the wings catching air is important because if the wing didn't catch air, then take off would require to always be on a hill or cliff as flapping them would be useless... In turn making them Spyro (I love Spyro (he could only glide))... Plus if you were to go so far into fantasy as to say "they don't need to catch air not everything needs to be realistic" THAT is going a little too far, even though it's fantasy doesn't mean everything should just 'work' just because it's fantasy, there should be some grasp on reality & what is already known about wings & such... Though the wings on them aren't bad enough to warrant them not being able to fly & catch air, just a point out... Another option, they use a levitate spell or shout to fly would mean that they shouldn't even need wings...

None the less I don't see anything wrong with the current dragons... There is more then on type anyway, so don't like the one in the pic then you have two choices wait to see the different ones or get the PC version & mod them.... Is it really big enough a deal for a thread?

are you kidding me?

are you [censored] KIDDING ME?!

now people are seriously [censored] ABOUT THE DRAGONS?!

for the sake of the GODS!

the dragons look PERFECT... they sound perfect, too... and i wish i could smack the crap outta you for insulting the dragons in this game before we even get to see them in all their glory!

ugh... i swear, the ungrateful brats here will NEVER be satisfied. :facepalm:

i feel sorry for bethesda...

Oh god, why did you even bring up http://dtowndj.files.wordpress.com/2010/09/dragon_tales.jpg? :shakehead:

My issue with the design of the dragons is also with the wings. The rest of it is perfectly fine. The scales, beefiness, gritty look...that's all fine. The problem is I'm nowhere near convinced they can fly with the current wing design, which doesn't even connect fully to their torso. Note the huge gap where there's no skin. I'm expected to believe this thing can fly? Really? Even with magic that's a stretch.

we haven't even seen a good shot of a dragon, so you really cant tell all that well, one was covered in fire, the other was up in the air, and the other one was kind of a good shot, but it wasn't really the focus of the shot

the dragons in skyrim are rigid and rough. the ones u prefer are to "pretty." think of the era and the theme here.

I think they look great , but may be the OP is right about the wing size , to lift such a Heavy body they woul realisticaly need bigger wings in horizontal span , tough the ones he posted are IMO too big and engumbrant , I think that eventually something slight bigger of what we have seen would be perfect , but to me this is just nitpicking , I am sure that for also prectical reasons the wings aren't so big....

Poor Argenti, flamed to death , never really stood a chance.

The dragons you referred are pretty Awesome looking, but the style used by Bethesda is even more Awesome in my opinion.

The fact that ES dragons have only 2 legs bothers me somewhat. Aren't 2 legged dragons called wyverns?

Am I being trolled or is this serious? Dragon in my opinion look fierce and awesome. I can't wait to see them in action.

Hopefully, modders will be able to design their own different types of dragons...RAD!!!!!!!!!!

this says it all. why should we argue about what is and is not realistic about dragons. regardless of what they look like in SK

Does it really matter in the long run? I mean, when the thing is dive bombing you with fire or right in your face trying to chomp your arms off, are people really going to be saying to themselves "This is stupid, this thing only has two legs. That's not a dragon, its a wyvern!"

At least for myself, I'll pobably find myself thinking about other things. Ya know, like how I plan to survive and kill this thing/run away. Its a giant flying lizard, if people's biggest beef with them is the fact they don't have front legs instead of their behavior or movements, they will have been a great success.

Umm, the dragons look amazing. Also, it has been said that the dragons actually fly through the power of their language, not from the aerodynamics of their wings.



Wyverns are a type of dragon, so I don't see a problem. Also, if you had the GI mag, you would see a dragon with 4 legs crouched on the ground breathing fire at the character. It is a sweet screenshot.

They should definitely scrap their dragon designs and make them look exactly like those.

This.

Why do people have such a hangup when it comes to the word "realistic"? Realism does NOT mean "exactly like reality down to every single detail". It's being used here as a synonym to believability, which is a perfectly valid definition of the word. In order to not find the world we're playing in jarring, it needs to be believable. Even fantasy worlds have rules and limitations. If they don't, it becomes unconvincing.

according to whom? The person (people) writing this work of fiction can set the rules. Two legged? Six legged? What about the dragons with 762 legs? Since they are creating their own mythology, in their own world with their own IP, Beth can make up whatever they want.
I guess if you want to get technical, the occidental dragon comes from a greek word for 'sea serpent', so including wings would make it something else. Just picking nits. Who cares? This game is going to rock.

Pointless thread. They'll leave the dragons how they are. The whining is just annoying.

PLUS Magazine scans? Thread needs to be locked.

1. They will most likely not listen AT ALL to one poster's wants.
2. They have been working 2 years on the dragons. They will not change.
3. WHY change them? They look AWESOME. I mean, they personally look a ton better than the ones in your pictures.

Don't be an idiot. Look at the size of their wings. There's no way those dragons could fly.

A summery of the entire thread:
Those who support the OP's state said that dragons couldn't fly with such small and fragile wings, some mentioned that the wings should've been located in a more proper place. It has also been said that realism takes a role in designing the dragons, so the wings they have now should be at least 3 times the length (or at least 2) of their current size.

Those who oppose the OP's state replied to the said reasons with: realism is something to be considered, though not if it breaks the theme or idea or lore of the current game, mainly because it's a fantasy game. It was also stated (and is obviously logical) that the dev's probably went through a lot of models and sketches before implementing the dragons the way they are now. There was also a quote from King something's book that according to the dragon anatomy of TES, they can speak magicaly and fly magicaly due to their impossibility of speaking with their mouth structure and the fact that their wings can't support the weight of their tursos.

NOTE: it's rediculous to think that it doesn't mean that their wings should be small but they have large, heavy torsos. Note that if the body is big and the wings are big but are small compared to the body, it still means that the wings are small, so, no, it still means (according to the book of King Bla Bla) that their wings are relatively small. And besides that, a drama book, even if it's only a drama book, can still tell you the structure of dragons, it may not be an anatomy book or a history book, but it sends the message pretty clear that it is known that dragons can speak and have small wings compared to their body.

thanks, it's been discussed waaaaay too long than it should have been.

Uhhh... no thanks man?

Bethesda isn't going to change the way the dragons look just because you(and 3-10 other people in the community) personally don't like them, where as most if not almost all the community absolutely loves the design of Skyrim's dragons.

In my personal opinion they are the coolest looking dragons I have ever seen depicted in a video game, they look absolutely amazing, terrifying, something out of this world.

They are awesome. The skinny, weak dragons like you linked look absolutely pathetic and scream "same old same old" because they look like dragons from 99% of literature and media.. Why do you think they need to "stick to a forumla that wins" ? They have already won with their design of dragons, all the big name magazines and websites are constantly complimenting Bethesda on their design and how mind blowing they look. They would make a thousand times more people unhappy by changing the dragons than they would by keeping them how they are.

The ones Bethesda has created are absolutely awe inspiring and they will not be changed.. I promise you that.



^ This

Also I am just :facepalm:ing at the "it's not realistic for them to have small wings" argument because come on guys.. They are magical dragons in a magical reality which is not ours. Who are you to say that they can't fly?

What are you basing them on? Birds? Because I know we haven't ever had any real dragons on planet Earth as far as I can remember.

Use your imagination a little bit, the dragons are extreme magical beings and are intensely strong and powerful.. it doesn't matter if their wings aren't a certain size..

Like do you guys know how much the dragons weigh or something? Am I missing something here?



They are perfect and you can take my word for it, they won't be changed before release, 5 years of hard work has gone into their design and (almost) everybody LOVES THEM!