This is a product of the ability to patch over the Internet in my opinion. Developers can have less QA and let the players beta test, then release updates online. That said this game is far into development. I think a topic about a delay is overkill considering we have no idea what the progress of the game is at other than that it's almost done.

It's really bad with MMORPGs. It's almost expected that MMORPGs launch unfinished, that severe bugs are added in patches, and that those bugs (rather than reverting a broken patch) are left in for weeks while the devs "work on it." It's really quite disgusting.

i agree i want to play and enjoy not get knocked down by some serious bug that keeps kicking me when im down
like the bug when you installed shivering isles without updating the game, npc's suddenly became totally paranoid

5 and a half years development for Skyrim, I wouldn't be worried.

Same as you, but I play on the Xbox.

BETHUSDA kinda ruined this discussion for me.

What?

lolz

I can bet it won't be delayed, but in case something goes wrong in the last minute, I'm one of those who prefer them to release the game and then patch it on the way. My brain has filed the 11/11/11 thing as a fact.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't Oblivion made 4 years after Morrowind? I was disappointed in the quality of being a thief altogether in that game. Fathis Ules I dare say is one of the most essential NPCs in the game for a thief and he was buggy as hell. Everything pertaining stealing, the guards, and even the guild quest has major issues that were not fixed. I'm sure Skyrim won't have these issues but I'm worried about what errors they may have.

Ah, now it makes sense. Bethesda chose 11/11/11 so no matter what calendar format you use you'll know exactly when Skyrim comes out.

"Bethesda: Thinking Globally"

p.s. Anybody who is whining about the idea of it being delayed to iron out any game-ruining bugs needs to learn a very important skill: patience

Pete said it was more so the fact that releasing on a Friday makes it easier to do a simultaneous worldwide launch.

i know this has probably been repeated many times, but im quite sure they aren't going to delay Skyrim. The game has been in a 5 year development. And 11/11/11 is still far from now, im sure they have/had plenty of time to get done what needed/needs to be done.

If they delay Skyrim, I'll commit sepukku

Plus, they'd lose the awesome 11/11/11 number...and they'd have to wait a thousand of years for another number as cool as it to have

I was partly joking but alright, haha.




12/12/12 ?

I totally agree with you, I feel that a lot of the developers have lost their way. I feel that some of the pride that went into games is lost and needs to be rediscovered; I feel that it is unacceptable for developers to release a unfinished game, delay if you have to, just don't give me a game with glitches up the ass and then fix them with updates weeks later.

I have faith that Bethesda can meet the deadline - they've had like 5 years to work on Skyrim anyway.

Whats the problem? If you want to wait, then wait for the patches to come out before you buy the game.

The way it is now is people who want it right away will get it when developers think it's in the right stage for people to start playing it. Essentially done. It's just there's always those little overlooked things that end up messing up (especially when you have thousands of people playing rather than a few testers) that need to be patched afterwords.

The only times games get delayed is when there are drastic problems, and I do mean drastic, not just a simple bug here and there.

Sheesh, what's with all this "I'll be so sad if they release an unfinished game" garbage? "Break your heart?" Really? Whatever.

For anyone who is interested in reality delaying games usually causes far more problems than it solves. Schedules get derailed, work assignments get confused, deadlines mean nothing, etc. etc. Plus, delays mean huge losses in profits because everyone sees "delay" and thinks "oh [censored] they're something super wrong with the game since they had to delay it and couldn't just release a patch or two."

Developers aren't releasing unfinished games, they're releasing imperfect games - which shouldn't come as a surprise to anyone who realizes no game can be perfect, ever. The OPs post is a case in point. I haven't played Crysis but I have played Shogun 2 Total War and it works just fine. I haven't had a problem yet in over 12 hours of gameplay (perhaps that's not so much time, but I haven't had even a small problem).

Games will keep improving but will never be perfect. If you kept delaying a game until it was perfect it would never get released. People are just going to have to live with that - games get released on time.

Personally, I'd rather they wait to *announce* a release date until they're sure they can hit it. Games that get delayed either have huge unforeseen complications or developers who can't make a proper work timeline. I'm sure Bethesda is neither and the game will come out when it's supposed to and it will be just fine.

11.11.11 is too cool to be delayed. If the released game is too buggy they could always release an "enhanced" edition like The Witcher later. I'm building a PC for Skyrim this fall and a delay would mean money loss because the later I buy the cheaper it costs the same configuration.

There is something funny about this thread hmm.... oh THAT's right it's addressed to Bethesda who have a long and well recorded track record of glitches and bugs in all of their titles. Which frigging games have you been playing? BUT who cares the games are [censored] awesome.

Honestly guys their isn't a game around that doesn't have a bug. Thats the reality and nature of the hobby you have chosen. Get over it.

I'd rather play a bugged Skyrim in November than wait another few months to fix the known bugs and discover others. I don't think a game like this can be fixed bugless in its first year or two. Just bring the game in time, that's all I ask and I'm absolutely sure they will.

Has anyone considered that, in terms of how long is reasonably required to complete Skyrim's development, 11/11/11 may already include a delay? What if they got together and said, "right, we're going to be able to lock this down before September 2011," and still decided on the November 11 release? That would give them time to encounter a delay, and still absorb it into the announced release date.

I realise this might be quite naive -- I haven't worked in a really professional development environment, and of course there's no such thing as "enough" time with a game of this scale and scope -- but if Bethesda are so confident of making 11/11/11, you've got to wonder if any minor delays and extra time aren't already accounted for.

Way to completely miss the point. We're not worried about a few simple bugs or the game being imperfect. We're saying they should delay it if there are major game breaking problems and not stick with releasing on 11/11/11 just because it's a "cool date".

They CAN'T Delay It! Bethesda Is Known For Their Buggy Games! AND It's Released on 11.11.11! It will be stupid if it will be like 23.06.12.! I MEAN ALOT of pepole Are going to die. It will almost be the next year, only one more month and YOU want it to be delayed to the end of 2011/beggining of 2010? You DO know that the game is developed pretty much cause all that is in the trailer , is in game. And I noticed that the third person is going to be over-the-shoulder like fallout 3. PLUS It already is about 7-8 months to wait and you want it to be delayed? Yes I know it's for the good of the game but ALOT of pepole WANT to get this game. If pepole pre-order it they will have to wait MORE for their pre-order to come. Im okay with it but im just saying that It's stupid, cause alot of pepole EXPECT this game.

since when did bethesda ever release an unfinished game? they have been working on this since they finished oblivion. Have faith

If needed then yes, i agree that the game should be delayed. There have been a few lacklustre titles recently as they have been rushed to development. The only game that (Might) have been rushed and I am still enjoying is dragon age 2, Which i intend to be my stop-gap game between now and skyrim. Any other games that have been rushed have disappointed me and it would kill me if skyrim was ruined because it was rushed.