Although I may be a relatively experienced member of this forum I must confess I rarely post, instead I prefer to read the thoughts and posts of other fellow members. I much prefer sitting back and listen to the discussions that gets banded around and although a few ideas hold merit I must admit that the majority of suggestions are appalling to say the least.

Grounded ideas that are suited to the world and spirit of Tamriel or raising technical issues or fixes for bugs and glitches are good, but some of the suggestions I have read makes me query whether I am playing the same game:

Damage Numbers (popping out of opponents heads), Hard Core six and Nudity (to make it more realistic), Cross-Over with the Fallout Universe (WTF), God Mode (Doom style), Firearms (guns and rifles), Squad NPC Mechanics (like many FPS games), Super Powers (not perks or magic but Marvel & DC type)...etc etc etc the list goes on.....

Discussion and forums are good, as it can solve horrible issues that may of come beforehand such as Oblivions Levelscaling (which the Developers are clearly addressing), but a huge majority of the ideas we put forward are just too bizarre or not in keeping with the series.

Before any sensitive types out there get all defensive and jump off their high-horses I just want to put straight that at no point am I trying to say that all ideas are bad or terrible per se, just that many of them are not befitting for an Elder Scrolls game. Maybe in Mass Effect, Final Fantasy or Dragon Age, yes. But this isn't Mass Effect, Final Fantasy or Dragon Age. And who is best to make judgement of that... well that would be the Developers.

hmmmmm

You don't give Bethesda enough credit. They have standards. They're not going to listen to EVERY single suggestion/complaint. It's counter-productive.

Group Combat AI is.,, bad?

Well then de gustabus non disputandem est

This.

Besides, this forum represents only a small number of their customers. Overall, they're not going to pay much attention to us.

Hard-core six and nudity are more realistic? In whose freakin' world . . .

On second thought, don't answer that. I really don't want to know.

~ Dani ~

There were over 150 TESV Ideas and Suggestions threads that we went through before Skyrim was announced.

And how fortuitous that, despite a lot of those ideas not being the best or most well thought out or most possible, Bethesda contains the faculties of reasoning to sift through the ideas to match them to appropriate themes and possibility, meaning we didn't have to inherently filter ourselves and could post whichever ideas we wanted.

His post is not only directed at the developers.
Of course the developers have standards, we don't have to worry about them implementing all the terrible ideas people have.

This is something that all the people with absolutely terrible ideas should read, and then they should stop posting altogether.

Which topics have you been reading?? I haven't seen any of those sorts of posts.

I know Luke, but there is this fear in me that one day Bethesda may cave onto some of the more 'immersion-breaking' ideas (demands?) that come from the more 'arcade' and 'extreme-action' orientated players. I would rather Bethesda not listen to us at all than to serious consider most of our suggestions...

So if they listened to you, then they would be listening to one of us, so they would not listening to you... hm... paradoxical.

EDIT: The guy below me basically hit the nail on the head.

1) Maybe the forum is like a big ol' brainstorm session? Where a 100 ideas get shouted out, but only one is good? That's a great way to generate ideas, get a feel of what's wanted (or not) out there, etc., yes?

2) View the forum as a form of entertainment where one can have some fun with respectful debate?

3) Teh developers might already be done listening considerring how far along the game is

4) A differnt title might go further in making this a viable thread

5) The dev's will do what they want

6) Being a crowd wather can be fun, or it can be frustrating, eh?

7) Havea nice day!

Why? Are we all so afraid of terrible ideas that we can't respond to them? Or better yet, we can't twist them around or inspect the roots of them to see if they can be salvaged in some way? I get that the forum's cluttered, but it would be that way regardless of whether people were posting ideas or not.

Again, I point to the TESV Ideas and Suggestions threads. If an infeasible idea came up, it was criticized, the member was shown why it wouldn't work, and then that member would either make changes, or they would leave the idea behind and go on to post things that were better or more on-point regarding TES.

Well said.

~ Dani ~

Bethesda got brains you know... :spotted owl:
I think they can tell what's appropriate and not appropriate for their own game, don't you think?

I am sure you mean well...
But this is a pointless thread. Stating ?(...) most of our suggestions are imbecillic? is just a void blanket statement that could well be turned against yourself. Trust BGS' judgement. Trust they'll know how to separate the wheat from the chaff. Trust. Relax.
And if you don't mind me saying, turn the Caps Lock off.
No need to shout. It doesn't make your point any more valid.

The forum goers here can have some very bad ideas. We also have some very good ideas.

They shouldn't listen to ALL of our ideas, but should they not do something just because we suggested it? No. If they see something they like then add it into the game.

In the real world... Well you might not see it in daily life, but it's still there.

Then again, I haven't seen one thread that suggested we should have hard-core six.


How can they base what is good or not off of other peoples opinions? Just saying that certain ideas are terrible doesn't make them absolutely terrible, as if it were a fact.

[edit] Yep, rumblyguts got it right.

Pete Hines has already said in the Bethesda podcast that they do not listen to, or take on board, any suggestions from the forums and never have. They have a highly creative development staff who are paid to come up with ideas every day. So you have no need to worry. :thumbsup:

Actually, it might have been the OXM podcast.

Too late. They already do; why do you think vsions has been lurking the "wtf is with my arms" thread? Look at his job description.

Actually a lot of the devs really appreciate the forums based on what they are taxed to design

Its like beta testing. Sure we only account for a small portion of who buys the game, but we are the truest fans and we do occasionally come up with good mod ideas or gameplay mechanics

I find your overall lack of faith in Bethesda disturbing and magnitudes more irritating than all the stupid ideas combined.

Exactly. Besides I think teh good to bad ideas ratio ( ) on these forums are something like 1:4 or something which is pretty good :shrug:

Win.

I dont think we have to much to worry about, Bethesda have already said that they make the game they want to make, if things we suggest are in there I think that is just coinsidence, for example

I have heard Duel wielding being suggested and modded since joining on Morrowinds release, and it is 2 games later (morrowind and Oblivion) that it is implimented, Dragons are the same. But they have not been implemented because of our suggestions, they were implemented because it was right for bethesda.

I will enjoy elderscrolls in the future and hopefully I can get another 5-6 games out of them before I retire and then start craft courses or get an allotment to pass my time.

Not all of our ideas are bad, just 99% of them. That 1% though, is gold.