Please don't tell me birthsigns are gone : V

» Sat Sep 18, 2010 7:51 pm

Personally I'm a huge fan of the Atronach. It may be a bit overpowered, but it is also a lot of fun. And how am I supposed to save the world if I'm not born under a certain star to uncertain parents. Uncertain parents doesn't make you a hereo.

I also hope they can make some of the others a bit more interesting. The shadow can be very helpful for some characters, but the some of the others are only usefull in the early levels. Maybe the birthsign power should get stronger as the PC levels up.

» Sat Sep 18, 2010 6:28 pm

They're gone.

» Sat Sep 18, 2010 5:11 pm

They're gone. Good.

» Sun Sep 19, 2010 1:54 am

Although I admit they could be done without, I will miss the Ritual. Now if I want a Turn Undead spell, I'll have to level Conjuration :confused:

» Sun Sep 19, 2010 5:31 am

Can I get a source on the removal of birthsigns? I've been hearing it for months but no one ever gives a source and I don't remember hearing it or reading it anywhere official.

» Sat Sep 18, 2010 9:15 pm

They are gone along with classes and attributes. Only thing I will miss is the class-name for roleplaying reasons.

» Sat Sep 18, 2010 7:19 pm

Can I get a source on the removal of birthsigns? I've been hearing it for months but no one ever gives a source and I don't remember hearing it or reading it anywhere official.

I don't believe there is one. One of the earliest references to the skills UI (possibly the Game Informer article, even) mentioned that Bethesda was "preserving the player's ties to the birthsigns", which many people interpreted as saying that they were out and the constellations were supposed to be a throwback to them. Nothing has been said, that I know of at least, that outright says birthsigns have been removed. Todd never mentioned them when discussing character creation, though. :shrug:

» Sat Sep 18, 2010 4:58 pm

Can I get a source on the removal of birthsigns? I've been hearing it for months but no one ever gives a source and I don't remember hearing it or reading it anywhere official.

same, I've never read anywhere that birthsigns were removed or still in.

» Sat Sep 18, 2010 3:45 pm

what is the point of removing the birth signs? i mean, it's not too huge a deal, but i actually quite like them......

» Sun Sep 19, 2010 1:35 am

Yeah, they got rid of them for no reason, other than to appeal to newbs.

» Sun Sep 19, 2010 7:20 am

Todd said the only thing you do at character creation now is pick race, gender, and looks. He never mentioned birthsigns. I imagine they're out, because they're part of that whole "I picked when I was uninformed and now I'm mad." deals.

» Sun Sep 19, 2010 2:15 am

Can I get a source on the removal of birthsigns? I've been hearing it for months but no one ever gives a source and I don't remember hearing it or reading it anywhere official.

If you listen, watch, read a few info source that talk about the new leveling system and the new constellations screen for which you level up and pick your perks, the birthsigns are gone and replaced through leveling up and picking our perks (i assume most of the old birthsign powers will be remade in perk form) from what i understand

» Sun Sep 19, 2010 4:33 am

I was under the impression that the Constellations were the birthsigns, or at least re-imagined.

» Sun Sep 19, 2010 7:32 am

Yeah, they got rid of them for no reason, other than to appeal to newbs.

Marvellously put. ^^

» Sat Sep 18, 2010 7:58 pm

I was under the impression that the Constellations were the birthsigns, or at least re-imagined.

kinda what i was understanding it as also

» Sat Sep 18, 2010 8:29 pm

Yeah, they got rid of them for no reason, other than to appeal to newbs.

They put them in the series for no reason, other than to appeal to newbs.

» Sat Sep 18, 2010 5:58 pm

I'm not really too bothered about the removal of classes (apart from the little name you got, that was cool) and I'm reserving judgment on the highly flammable subject that is attributes, but I don't see why they had to remove birthsigns. They didn't limit you in anyway and added a little something extra to your character.

» Sat Sep 18, 2010 10:20 pm

Yeah, they got rid of them for no reason, other than to appeal to newbs.

how does it appeal to newbs? its just less abilities when you start out if they're gone

» Sat Sep 18, 2010 6:35 pm

Can I get a source on the removal of birthsigns? I've been hearing it for months but no one ever gives a source and I don't remember hearing it or reading it anywhere official.

They're gone: http://www.gamesas.com/index.php?/topic/1181653-persuasion-lockpicking-horses-dragon-mounts-birthsigns-battle-music-and-seasons/page__hl__birthsigns+seasons+battle+music

Not a big loss, we can get the very same effects from items and spells and whatnot. But birthsigns did have a unique touch to them that I will miss a bit. Still, birthsigns didn't quite apply to this new take Bethesda has... where who you are is dependent on what you do during the game; in other words, you are what you play, not what you choose in the beginning.

» Sun Sep 19, 2010 9:10 am

They put them in the series for no reason, other than to appeal to newbs.

I want the Daggerfall advantages/disadvantages system back, personally.

» Sat Sep 18, 2010 5:38 pm

And how am I supposed to save the world if I'm not born under a certain star to uncertain parents. Uncertain parents doesn't make you a hereo.

The same way that you saved the world in Arena and Daggerfall

ie you didn't use birthsigns because they weren't there

» Sun Sep 19, 2010 7:46 am

Its best this way, it was too confusing and forced us into making uniformed decisions early on and then being trapped into that decision. Now I can just grow to be who I want to be instead of choosing early on when I am uniformed and then having to restart most of the time I can't be bothered to do! So it means I will actually play and enjoy the game more now, thank you Beth

Ps. Bring on detox.

» Sun Sep 19, 2010 3:14 am

They put them in the series for no reason, other than to appeal to newbs.

No they put them in to add depth, or to try and add depth back, since character creation from Dagger to Morrow was so "dumbed down". Todd said they took them out so new players wouldnt ruin their character at the start of the game. Like a birth sign could ruin a character unless you were a newb and, or you just didnt read what the signs did. Like someone else said, I want the character creation from Daggerfall back, now that was deep.

» Sun Sep 19, 2010 6:37 am

Its best this way, it was too confusing and forced us into making uniformed decisions early on and then being trapped into that decision.

It was fun to roleplay as a disadvantaged character though - say, an Orc mage. Attributes and the racial bonuses to them added another layer of difficulty and flavor for people who wanted to play the game in a different way. Choosing your race shouldn't just be purely aesthetic - it should play some factor in gameplay.

» Sun Sep 19, 2010 2:49 am

No they put them in to add depth. Todd said they took them out so new players wouldnt ruin their character at the start of the game. Like a birth sign could ruin a character unless you were a newb and, or you just didnt read what the signs did. Like someone else said, I want the character creation from Daggerfall back, now that was deep.

The character creation in Daggerfall is awesome. Best in the series by far.