It would take away from my gaming experience if it was there it would be nice through but I wouldn't lose any nights over it

I made a shader that let you playhttp://www.gamesas.com/index.php?/topic/1113265-morrowind-graphics-extender-mge/page__view__findpost__p__16351622 within MGE project. It took me 10> minutes to write it. And a couple of days to refine it via user feedback.

3D is doable in driver level, even very old games can now be enabled to do stereo 3D. OP's request is Devs not forgetting setting two numbers. Depth for UI and sky. It is really a humble one.

First, all three systems can do 3d, pc, ps3 and 360 (black ops recently released works in 3d with the 360).

Second, developing in 3d should even take any resources at all, you don't use more resources, you use them differently. Shadows, crosshair, lightning, you don't have to add more layers or shaders for them to work in 3d, you just have to program them at the correct depth for them to work properly in 3d, it should be so taxing for development, in fact DOZENS of old games that never heard of stereoscopic 3d work flawless with 3d vision already in any of the current modern pcs, just because the programmers simply developed the 3d geometry of the game at the proper depth, check http://www.nvidia.com/object/3d-vision-3d-games.html

For all those that say that 3d is not worth it, really, I suggest that at least you check Dragon Age in 3d, this game works 99% perfect in 3d with 3d vision and there are no words to express how incredible is to be INSIDE the environments. If you're here, you love RPGs, you are looking for the full inmersive experience of being inside a epic fantasy environment, you won't believe your eyes. Once you have tried it, then talk, because I've showed 3d to many gamers and all of them were blown away. The big problem with 3d is that you cannot post a screenshot or describe it, you have to see it to believe it.

Finally, do not compare 3d games with 3d movies, games are MUCH better, for several reasons:

1) Games are ALREADY in 3d, many of the movies nowadays trick you with a few layers to fake depth, where games have the full 3d experience since they are programmed in 3d, so a room or an environment have a much better sense of depth and the feeling of "being there" since they have the proper geometry.

2) You can control depth and convergence in games, at least in PC, which means that the funny 3d effect in movies can be 10x times as effective on PC since you can increase the depth/convergence to the max for a fully immersive experience.

3) It doesn't have to be expensive. blu ray 3d movies need a very expensive 3d tv and a 3d blue ray, but for PC gaming a 3d monitor and the 3d kit for 3d vision are far more affordable. In fact you can get a 3d ready dlp proyector like the Acer H5360 for 500 euro and get the full 100 inch 3d gaming experience. Besides you don't need sli gtx 580 for it to work, I can play almost all games fairly well in 3d with a respectable gtx 460, and did well before that with a gtx 260.

All in all, really, if you haven't tried 3d gaming, sorry but your judgement is limited no matter what, I assure you that 3d gaming is amazing, much better than 2d gaming, it's here to stay with the new nintendo 3ds, 3d movies, tvs etc, so I wish you could at least give it a try to judge it properly. Currently The Witcher, Gothic 4, Dragon Age, Fallout 3 and Vegas, Neverwinter Nights 2 among others, are some RPGs that work really well, I suggest you check some of those in 3d and then judge 3d gaming properly.

Yes please please please fully Stereo 3D ready.


all shaddows, sky, water and tesselation please ...

FR3D

Well, the last goes without saying... I mean... TESsalation... it would look silly if The Elder Scrolls didn't have it. But that's another topic.

Tessellation displacement maps for lycanthropy & spells that affect your stats would look awesome! Sadly the tech is probably too new. But damn seeing things transform/become affected without having that bright light that quickly swirls around you appear or where your body suddenly glows a certain color would be fantastic.
*BLUMP* "You have contracted a disease"... then deformations abound!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7BtRvgMFCME nom nom nom

Sounds like 3D view is simpler for games than it is for movies, since games are already 3D worlds new or old, just simply being presented on a flat "canvas" (Computer-Monitor.) I would vote yes, even if I wouldn't use it myself, if what is said about 3D vision being a small amount of code is true.

Yes, 3d games are far better !!!


+1

Just wanted to throw in my vote for 3d as well. Like others have mentioned, Oblivion and the Fallouts are fantastic in 3d despite their incompatibility issues.
If the developers can take the time to make sure certain features work well in stereoscopic it would make a great game even better.
Immersion is my key word when describing these huge open game worlds ... and stereoscopic gameplay only helps to augment that experience even further.

At the very least, leave options to disable the crosshair and other interface elements that don't work as well in 3d, if you decide not to support it.

Just take a look at it devs ... that's all we're really asking.

People with Amblyopia would disagree, as it's impossible for them to view 3D films(even those old-styled red&blue glasses), focus properly with binoculars and to have their depth perception severely hampered.

So I vote no, for obvious reasons being someone that has it and all.

I'm sure some of the genius modders out there can come up with a mod that uses shader to that effect! :wink_smile:



Yet another good reason!



I must say, you've received many a well earned "A" on your Essays! :celebration: :wink_smile:

I agree with most of what you said, and considering my original post, I'm against a mandatory 3D setting, UNLESS you have an option of turning it off, then I'm 100% in favor for the implementation of 3D technology in games! (LOL, I remember when 2D vrs 3D was an issue!)

Actully just so you guy know apparently even the 8800GT can support 3d

I must say, you've revived man an "A" on your Essays! :celebration: :wink_smile:

I agree with most of what you said, and considering my original post, I'm against a mandatory 3D setting, UNLESS you have an option of turning it off, then I'm 100% for the idea of 3D technology in games! (LOL, I remember when 2D vrs 3D was an issue!)

I F%^$^in' screwed up my post, earlier I stated that people that have Amblyopia (Lazy eye) cannot utilize 3D glasses, movies, and haven't any depth perception. And having it myself, I'm against mandatory 3d tech implementation

Beth's games have always been 3D friendly. This is because they have consistantly provided plenty of graphics options e.g. the ability to turn shadows, crosshair, water effects on or off etc. The devs only need to continue this trend and the game will be fine. This rule applies for most games.

BTW Oblivion, FO3 and FO3NV are amazing to play in 3D. This is dispite some members of the dev team making it clear they have done nothing to support 3D!

I was a 3D sceptic until I tried it. Then I saved ￡1 a day until I had enough to buy the monitor and glasses! I am 36 and have been gaming since the Speccy. 3D is, without question, the most significant advancement in gaming I have yet seen.

Oh great, that would make me buy a 1000 + euros TV, just to get 3D. Whynot just buy me a proper computer so I can install mods to Skyrim and bring lots and lots of more stuff for me to do in it?

Some of the responses in this thread are funny. I always think our generation will be less technophobic than the older generation because we've grown up around more advanced tech, but some people will fear new technology no matter how advanced we are. These new-fangled CD's will never replace casettes! MP3's are doomed to fail, they all sound like crap! DVD's svck compared to video tapes! HD is just a gimmick! No one is ever going to buy a separate video card just for games! DLC will never work, no one will buy it! And so on.

All games are going to support 3D in a few years. You'd best start hoarding your incompatible games now and preparing your "Back in my day" stories for your grandkids.

Sorry, 3D isn't being used well in cinema right now, so I really don't expect results in games. To me, it's still a thing of the future.

Sounds fun to me. Elder Scrolls would probably be one of the best games for being 3D because of the large focus on immersion and impressive scenery, so I think Beth would be missing a trick to not at least and compatability.

I don't think too many people here actually understand what it means to be "3D Vision Ready." It's an Nvidia technology that you'd only have the option of using on a PC with an Nvidia GPU. It isn't some gimmick, it actually works, and I believe Oblivion was actually rated as being "Good" for 3D Vision by Nvidia. It would only make the game better and to be honest it wouldn't distract the developers from making the game much if at all. I'm all for it!

3D is in no way "new" technology. It is rehashed old technology that has been risen from the grave by the media. 3D died before and it will probably die again.

People said CD players were just like record players. And that DVD's were just like laserdics. And that iPod's were like minidiscs. 3D has come a long way since the blue-and-red glasses era. Though I guess the necromancers at "the media" headquarters and their magical powers might have something to do with it.

I have yet to see the "new" 3D implemented in an impressive fashion. All of those things you mentioned were upgrades from one piece of technology to a more efficient piece of technology that essentially did the same thing, but better. I was excited when 3D was first implemented again, and I thought it would be amazing to see. I saw it. I was very underwhelmed. Those things you mentioned were better versions of actively used technology. The new 3D is a new version of an old, dead technology. See the difference?

Have you actually played a game on a state-of-the-art 3D Vision Nvidia system? I played a few at PAX this year and it's come a long way. Guild Wars 2 looked awesome in 3D. Call of Duty looked good too. They're also working on 3DTV's that don't require glasses (also, the 3DS works like that) and I think that will help a lot too.

Edit: Also, it seems a little weird that 3d is an "old, dead technology" but that recorded music isn't... People have been recording music since the phonograph; that's quite a bit older than 3D.

Actually he's referring to shutter glasses and 120Hz displays on CRT monitors. That tech has been around for awhile, and it mostly died due to the introduction of LCD displays. They didn't have refresh rates of over 60Hz at first and were incapable of running games in 3D. Now that LCD panels have gotten better and are capable of refreshing at 120Hz we can have 3D again.

I see someone sprouting some serious BS mainly.

All those "anti 3D" feel like old men saying inane stuff like "that new fangled red thing is the tool of the devil, we only need our good old green and blue only TVs! Beside red is a fad that will pass soon."

I think that 3D without the glasses, it could be a big help, but that technology is severely limited right now in most aspects, though I've heard many reports that the 3DS looks amazing, and I am interested in seeing it in action. I have seen the games in action (I was at PAX for the first time this year :celebration: ) and they do look good, but at the current costs and limitations of 3D technology, it isn't worth it for developers to spend time on making a game 3D compatible. There may well be a time when 3D doesn't require glasses and looks better than ever, maybe even becomes standard, but it just isn't there right now.

Also, movies, television programs and games that are made for 3D just haven't used the tech in any interesting ways. It's either gimmicky like old 3D where stuff just pops out at you, or it's just kind of there and serves no real purpose. The biggest thing is just that it isn't worth it at the moment. Unless the tech is improved and made more widely available, it just won't be practical at all either. The 3DS is, so far, the only thing I've seen that has the potential to make 3D useful and interesting, mostly because of its slider feature that lets you switch between 3D and 2D, which could lead to some interesting game mechanics. If more things like that can be done, then I'll be all for it. If it's just there to look pretty and make money, I just don't see the point.