I don't think anyone here even knows what 3D Vision is. If you don't know what we're talking about, please don't post.

Yes, please concentrate on a good game. And do it in black and white - saves lot of work capacity for the musical score. Ah, what do I say, make it without music and use these graphic artists and composers for ai programming, that will be fun!


Yes, and when it's finally extingusihed, we will go for colour tv - I mean, look at all those criminal kids. Did not happen in good, ol black and white times. I remember black and white times where people did not deem all changes unkown to them bad by principle, that were times, long gone though.


The first post in this thread is extremly instructive and requires no special knowledge at all. It explains friendly and open minded what this is about. I am sorry if you cannot use 3d for whatever reason and I mean this with no irony at all.

No, I'd rather play wearing virtual-reality goggles in a sensory-deprivation tank. That should be the REAL industry-standard.

EDIT: never mind, I don't want to climb out and discover I've turned into a pre-human.

I love how the posts by most of the people in support of 3D are all snooty and like "You've not played in 3D, and I have, so I am therefore above you and all opinions except my own are moot."

In all seriousness, as I've stated, I've played 3D, thought it was meh, and I really don't see it lasting unless they remove the glasses from the equation.

Should Bethesda worry about 3D compatibility? No. They should worry about getting the game finished up and pleasing the fans of the lore and previous games, not the fans of sparkly new graphics. For if the game is the best in the series, I don't care if it looks worse than Daggerfall and is plain 2D for that matter.

And for those of you who really want 3D, then just use the http://www.iz3d.com/ on Skyrim whenever it releases. There you are, instant 3D right there. No worry about the devs having to put the option in the game.

Inb4 one of the 3D supporters tries to tell me off but fails.

No matter what 3d solution you use, issues with items such as sky boxes and HUD elements will persist if not addressed by the devs. Nvidia 3d vision, like iz3d, will work immediately with skyrim on the 11-11-11, but each solution will suffer if z-depth values are ignored.

Just to reiterate, I believe all 3d users want bethesda to focus on, finish, and polish the non-3d version of the game first. Should free time arise near the end then we would love if bethesda could make some minor UI and skybox adjustments (that only affects 3d users). I don't think its an unreasonable request, but this will be my final post on the matter since nothings being accomplished by arguing. The facts are all within this thread so I'll leave it for the devs to decide whether or not its feasible due to time constraints.

God no, don't let 3-D ruin my videogames as well as my movies. I swear to god if marvel starts making comics in 3-D.... An hero.

You don't have to "add" 3D graphics, they are already there. You just have to make sure everything renders properly. Games that were never meant for 3D run just fine in 3D in most cases with just minor visual bugs.

As far as comparing it to a virtual boy, not a good anology. 3D has been out for a couple of years now (Nvidia's version) and is gaining momentum as more and more people see the prices coming down on 3D set ups and in many cases, like me, you realize you already have everything you need except the monitor and glasses. Think of adding 3D to a game as adding color to a black and white film. Not really needed, but it makes the picture just a little more enjoyable to MOST people. If you read the reviews you will find very little negative and lots of positives, is it perfect-no- but is it a real nice plus to gaming???? I have to say YES!!!

Most games are much more immersive in 3D, though I have found it to be overwhelming to a point in really intense fast paced games like BFBC2. Just too much going on. That being said the game was made 3D ready and looks fantastic. I played it for the last 5 months without using 3D, there is no performance hit if you aren't using 3D, in fact the game runs better in non-3D. I don't really understand why some people are just so against something that you wouldn't even know was there unless you are setup to use it and have to enable it to start.

The main reason I could see for doing this is in the future as the setups get cheaper, more and more people will start having them, hey replaying a game that you played in 2d, changed to 3D gives you added value for your money, what is wrong with that? Maybe you don't have the money now, just do what I did to save- I decided no more coffee and fast food on my way to and from work :angel: ( I have a 45 mile commute), it really didn't take that long to save it up and I have to say, I feel so far that is worth it. That is my opinion of course.

To the people that can't afford to upgrade their PC's very often, probably should stick with consoles, they have a long lifespan and don't really need to be upgraded every year- year and a half like PC's do to keep up. Not knocking you in any way- it is just the reality of PC gaming. Sometimes I think about getting off of the constant upgrade train and switching to console, way less bugs -a lot more plug-n-play friendly. And you can buy a lot of games for all the money I spend upgrading just so I can see the " eye candy" That is just a choice we all make based on what we can and want to spend. :thumbsup:

I know 3D isn't right for every one...what is?...., but for many they will say ...SweeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeT :rock:

Can a modder not adjust the skybox and UI settings him/herself and release it as a "3D compatibility patch"?

nooo im being dragged back skybox yes, it can and has been modified... interface, inventory, maps no. Actually that'd be perfect if they just let us modify z-depths ourselves for the user interface through the ini. A fraction of the dev time spent. Tbh they nailed most of the 3d problems in the jump from oblivion to fallout, so chances are they are adhering to the same 3d compatible approach with skyrim (assuming the "new engine" malark is just bluster for "updated gamebryo"). Can't wait for 2011 games!

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All games will work in Stereo 3D (across the various S3D solutions) and this despite most devs not caring a monkeys about it! And yet most of these games are amazing when played in stereo! As I have said before, as long as Beth continues their good practice of providing their customers with plenty of graphical options, all will be good.

All I'm gonna say is.......

Not everything has to be 3D. Games are fine without it.

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but they are far more immersive with it [edit IMO]...

hello people ,

.... no one is forced to watch in "ugly" stereoscopic 3D .

the guys here (including me) only ask/beg for correcting some minor issues wich belong to stereo-3d compatibility .
this will require very little development time , I'm sure. even no dev time - if those problematic issues just have an off switch in graphics menu.
so I don't understand why some of the posters here begrudge this to the 3d users .

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It's not about being above anybody. It's about questioning how people who never tried s3d in gaming at all can be so negative. You say you tried and did not like it. Perfectly fine. But please, there are many who like it and they are not asking to make it exclusively stereoscopic 3d, but to make it compatible with optional stereosocpic 3d. Yes, this will be a little more work than not making it fully compatible. But it will only be graphical work for the graphics department. It will not hurt lore, quests, ai, sound, balancing, itemization... nothing of this. And even within the graphical department it will not require a new engine or parallel version, but just considering some particular issues like z-coordinates for sky boxes, shadows and (water) reflection (that's about 90 percent already of all issues).

Please, many of you hurt the development of our beloved hobby of gaming, by taking such uninformed stances as displayed by many (not all) in this thread. You do not like cheap movies being sold as super great because, "hey, now these are 3D, wow"? Nor do I. You do not like big TV manufacturers ripping up thousands of $ for new 3d TV tech? Nor do I. I am not even on Nvidia's side in many points - they have a lousy support for many long open issues with 3d. But still... this is not about movies, this is not about thousands of dollars plus investments in luxury TVs, this is not Nvidia only.. it's about a new way to be immersed in games. Let us please support that.

No use in turning the argument around.

This thread isn't about, wether you or others are willing to make use of an option. It's about securing an option for those who are willing. And it's annoying how many threedeephobiacs try to keep others from using their given equipment. Such engagement for a 2D-dictatorship is an odd idea by itself. There have been people engaging against stereophonic audio, against color tvs, against railroads, against electrification, against housing, against leaving africa and populate the rest of the world, against leaving the trees and living on the surface, against growing more than one cell... We hear conservative people complaining for billions of years now. We are used to it. We keep engaging for more options for all. Even for those who do not use them by now.

No 3D gamer ever engaged against the option to stay at 2D gaming.

I think they should focus more on the "real" thing, whatever you call it (2D? lol).

3D should come as a second... thing. A lot less important.

Yes, as a s3d user I agree. It's the game itself with its content, lore, quests, npc, balancing, challenge and gameplay that always should come first. This thread is about that stereoscopic 3 is fully supported ("3d ready") as a graphical option, that's all. It's not an alternative to content, lore, quests, npc, balancing, challenge and gameplay, but a suplementary and optional feature. A wonderfull, very immersive supplementary and optional feature though.

A game that is crap remains crap in s3d. A good game can be become an excellent game in s3d though because of the manyfold increased immersion.

Black Ops is.

Can anyone pls post some link about a game using this 3D thing? I have no idea what it is.

What a great thread. Now that the dust has settled it looks like most of the salient point have been made

I've spent money on a 3d vision kit, a decent 120Hz monitor + a 120hz capable projector. That's not a boast by the way, that's just a reflection on how heavily I personally believe in 3d gaming.
For what it's worth, I'm not into 'gimmicks' and believe me I'm not easily won over by fads either. I'm scientifically biased and have a degree in mechanical engineering from a decent 'red brick' uk university - pre polytechnic.
None of us are mugs, we all want these games to be the best possible experience and that's what I believe the original post was about.

I have no particular loyalty to Nvidia or their 3d vision kit except that as it stands it is the best solution for transforming pc games into decent 3d.

As others have said, it's just a case of the people working on the graphics part of the engine making some design considerations that will allow ALL of us the potential to enjoy the game properly in 3d using whatever technology we choose.

Glasses free 3d is not a viable option at the moment (IMO) but for the sake of a couple of choices early on please consider us early adopters. Believe me, if this game works perfectly in 3d ( shadows etc.) it will benefit all of us gamers in the long run.

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