Obviously he's right. When you don't offer options, no one will vote. I didn't so I don't see the result, but I think there's almos none voting.

Just add a "Keep it" option, then you'll see what the 90% wants. On this way, You WILL only get troll posts.

And lol, reporting him? No comment.

EDIT: Chose the first option, this is less a monster change in the game. And I laughed hard. 3 People (except me) voted here.

Just add it, you won't die from it.

My response to save me repeating myself.

I have not added a "Do Nothing" option yet, because those are the ones that usually vote it without adding comments as to why, so it's not clear whether they are trolling or even thinking the issue through properly. The fact is that this is a problem, the more you play this game the more you will realize that diverging from SE III is not a fun experience so that's why I have made all this effort with this thread and others have also to come up with these four options.

If someone has other great options then please share and I will add them also.

Your current options just makes the discussion really narrow. If you opened it up to more suggestions, maybe you'll even find something surprising. Who knows?

Plus its a chance to encourage participation from people who saw the options, and saw no point in posting. Your reasoning is very flawed.

Don't assume the following:

My experience = something like yours.

Your current options just makes the discussion really narrow. If you opened it up to more suggestions, maybe you'll even find something surprising. Who knows?

Plus its a chance to encourage participation from people who saw the options, and saw no point in posting. Your reasoning is very flawed.

Don't assume the following:

My experience = something like yours.

What options do you propose?

If the option you think of is "Do nothing" then please inform me why this would be better than the current four options and I will add it to the remainder.

If I get a good enough range of options will well-thought out reasons then I will make a new thread taking into consideration everyone's points and will include a "Do nothing" option. I've already added two other people's options so if you have good ones as well I will add them also

What you do is genralising everything, prejudice and ignorance aren't needed in the internet, especially when you want to collect opinions. Maybe it's your personality, but everytime others make a post, shows off their opinion, you declare it as troll and bash that person.

Two other things. First: "diverging from SE III is not a fun experience" is wrong. I played almost 60 hours and I know tha game very well, and I have fun, WITHOUT Stealth Enhance. IT IS a fun experience. Try it. Try playing without it, it's a relief. You make aggressive moves, showing off yourself and and don't waste as much energy as with cloak.

Second: If you say you add other options, then do it! 3 People including myself suggested buffing Armor and Power Modes and you do nothing, you only add options that buff the Stealth Mode.

Capital letters do not grant the user internet police powers, Kazakage. Silly person.

"Adapted", huh?

Frightening undertones aside, this thread is turning into comedy gold!

Your current options just makes the discussion really narrow. If you opened it up to more suggestions, maybe you'll even find something surprising. Who knows?

Plus its a chance to encourage participation from people who saw the options, and saw no point in posting. Your reasoning is very flawed.

Don't assume the following:

My experience = something like yours.

What options do you propose?

If the option you think of is "Do nothing" then please inform me why this would be better than the current four options and I will add it to the remainder.

If I get a good enough range of options will well-thought out reasons then I will make a new thread taking into consideration everyone's points and will include a "Do nothing" option. I've already added two other people's options so if you have good ones as well I will add them also

I'll explain a bit why I want a do nothing option.

Its not about it being better - its about offering variety to users. You open up a new door once you include a range of options. You encourage a more open minded discussion. What is the harm in that? Maybe even a new thought might come to you.

If you're going to have options to change it, why wouldn't you have options to keep it the way it is?

What you do is genralising everything, prejudice and ignorance aren't needed in the internet, especially when you want to collect opinions. Maybe it's your personality, but everytime others make a post, shows off their opinion, you declare it as troll and bash that person.

Two other things. First: "diverging from SE III is not a fun experience" is wrong. I played almost 60 hours and I know tha game very well, and I have fun, WITHOUT Stealth Enhance. IT IS a fun experience. Try it. Try playing without it, it's a relief. You make aggressive moves, showing off yourself and and don't waste as much energy as with cloak.

Second: If you say you add other options, then do it! 3 People including myself suggested buffing Armor and Power Modes and you do nothing, you only add options that buff the Stealth Mode.

Ok I was perhaps being subjective when saying "diverging from SE III is not a fun experience". However, 90% of people do use it so they obviously enjoy playing with it, more than without it yes? Otherwise the majority of people wouldn't be using it.

Also how does buffing Armor and Power modules help people move away from SE III and use other stealth modules? If you can tell me I will add my options. I'm not being arrogant here, I really don't understand.

I can add the option "Remove SE III" and also I can add "Do Nothing", but in the latter case we need reasons. Not for my case, but when I try and explain the reason in my OP I have nothing to say. All I can say is "Do Nothing" because....... er....um.... well I don't know because no-one has said why.

Kaze, you dont need to have a response for every option. That is why its a poll, and other people can post. I'm sure if a member asked "Why do nothing, why did you add the option" flicking through a few pages, you'll be able to understand the discussion. Its common sense that you grasp the content being discussed, before giving input. (Not aimed at you)

The best discussions happen when you have people thinking all the time, about different things. New ways come to light. I'm sure Crytek would agree.

You've given your reasons why you feel something should be done. Nice one. Now you'll see a lot of users challenging that, and some times you'll gain a new perspective. You should always expect to be challenged.

Here's a reason: "I'M ALREADY PERFECTLY HAPPY WITH HOW IT IS NOW, THANKS."

That in itself is explanation enough. If you fail to understand that concept then that's your problem, not ours.

But don't waste your time - this pitiful poll is already a lost cause.

Armor and Power Modes are the least to be used. More people would run around visible, because they benefit from the health boost and Armor effects.

I had had a penta kill a while a go, because several cloakers were jumping into my shooting.

And maybe people who use it think it's powerful enough, so they want to keep it. That's why a "Do Nothing" option should be there.

Your current options just makes the discussion really narrow. If you opened it up to more suggestions, maybe you'll even find something surprising. Who knows?

Plus its a chance to encourage participation from people who saw the options, and saw no point in posting. Your reasoning is very flawed.

Don't assume the following:

My experience = something like yours.

What options do you propose?

If the option you think of is "Do nothing" then please inform me why this would be better than the current four options and I will add it to the remainder.

If I get a good enough range of options will well-thought out reasons then I will make a new thread taking into consideration everyone's points and will include a "Do nothing" option. I've already added two other people's options so if you have good ones as well I will add them also

I'll explain a bit why I want a do nothing option.

Its not about it being better - its about offering variety to users. You open up a new door once you include a range of options. You encourage a more open minded discussion. What is the harm in that? Maybe even a new thought might come to you.

If you're going to have options to change it, why wouldn't you have options to keep it the way it is?

Ok you make a good point and you've provided a good reason. If someone had said this before then I would have added the option. Most people kept saying add it! add it! and add it! then when asked why I would get "........................." or "you're a [add curse word here]. No intelligent responses.

My mindset was to improve things, by keeping things the same (90% of users using SE III and no stealth module variety) with the "Do Nothing" option, I couldn't see this being better because it would keep things as they are now 90% SE users and NO variety.

I cannot fathom why people would just use SE III 24/7 all the time as most do and that's why I came up with two options and added two other users options. But, if people likes everyone using it all the time and they don't mind using it all the time and don't want to use other stealth modules then so be it. I do mind using it 24/7 but if nothing is going to change I will just lump it and continue to use it like everyone else until this game is dead or I move onto something else.

Armor and Power Modes are the least to be used. More people would run around visible, because they benefit from the health boost and Armor effects.

I had had a penta kill a while a go, because several cloakers were jumping into my shooting.

And maybe people who use it think it's powerful enough, so they want to keep it. That's why a "Do Nothing" option should be there.

Ok good points, this is all I wanted so that I could provide reason in my OP when I added the new voting option.

So in order to force the 90% of SE users to use other stealth modules, then how would we boost the Armor and Power modules to make the SE users less viable? This is not an attack, I want to know so I can add it to the OP.

Capital letters do not grant the user internet police powers, Kazakage. Silly person.

"Adapted", huh?

Frightening undertones aside, this thread is turning into comedy gold!

Pein has now added a reason for he Do Nothing option so I will be adding this to the poll shortly, and also JustNameless has provided another option to buff other modules to make SE less viable so soon there will be another two options on the table.

Perhaps if you did what Pein did and explained the Do Nothing option instead of trolling and spreading hate and calling me all sorts of names then I would have done it straight away.

My mindset was to improve things, by keeping things the same (90% of users using SE III and no stealth module variety) with the "Do Nothing" option, I couldn't see this being better because it would keep things as they are now 90% SE users and NO variety.


What were saying is variety would increase if people realize Stealth Enhance is not necessary for a good game. Either by trying out new modules or re-balancing what we have. What your asking is doing to same thing but but not forcing people to change there habits. Which is kind of pointless if you want a game of a lot different play styles. A this game will change with the next update(which I suspect will have anti cloak tech buffed.)

Its one sided game that need rebalanced.... lol this reminds me of when the AN-94 was OPed in BC2 but a lot of people didn't want it nerffed. Guess what, THEY DID nerf it and the options for viable assaults rifles grew (heck the F2000 went from ok to Amazing.) Game do change over there life time and strats will follow. Cloakers today... Armor noobs tomorrow. Just adapt and enjoy what you got.

My mindset was to improve things, by keeping things the same (90% of users using SE III and no stealth module variety) with the "Do Nothing" option, I couldn't see this being better because it would keep things as they are now 90% SE users and NO variety.


What were saying is variety would increase if people realize Stealth Enhance is not necessary for a good game. Either by trying out new modules or re-balancing what we have. What your asking is doing to same thing but but not forcing people to change there habits. Which is kind of pointless if you want a game of a lot different play styles. A this game will change with the next update(which I suspect will have anti cloak tech buffed.)

Its one sided game that need rebalanced.... lol this reminds me of when the AN-94 was OPed in BC2 but a lot of people didn't want it nerffed. Guess what, THEY DID nerf it and the options for viable assaults rifles grew (heck the F2000 went from ok to Amazing.) Game do change over there life time and strats will follow. Cloakers today... Armor noobs tomorrow. Just adapt and enjoy what you got.

I agree with you, so what would you propose to rebalance the game? i.e. diminish all the SE users.

So in order to force the 90% of SE users to use other stealth modules, then how would we boost the Armor and Power modules to make the SE users less viable? This is not an attack, I want to know so I can add it to the OP.
It's not forcing, it's about having the players to experience a more varied gameplaystyle, for example people like me would completely remove cloak out of their standart game ratio. And then they could use other Modules, like Visor Enhancement, or even Covert Ops vor their loadout.

I agree with you, so what would you propose to rebalance the game? i.e. diminish all the SE users.


Umm, BUFF ANTI CLOAK measures.

Nuff said I am out of here.

So in order to force the 90% of SE users to use other stealth modules, then how would we boost the Armor and Power modules to make the SE users less viable? This is not an attack, I want to know so I can add it to the OP.
It's not forcing, it's about having the players to experience a more varied gameplaystyle, for example people like me would completely remove cloak out of their standart game ratio. And then they could use other Modules, like Visor Enhancement, or even Covert Ops vor their loadout.

Ok, so how can we remove cloak out of their standard game ratio? Make SE have a level requirement caps or something else?

I agree with you, so what would you propose to rebalance the game? i.e. diminish all the SE users.


Umm, BUFF ANTI CLOAK measures.

Nuff said I am out of here.

lol thanks... very informative.

*sigh*

Do you forget what you read?

They should make other playstyles more attractive and valuable, so some use cloak and some armor, not all use cloak and few use armor. Got it? Finally?

*sigh*

Do you forget what you read?

They should make other playstyles more attractive and valuable, so some use cloak and some armor, not all use cloak and few use armor. Got it? Finally?

Yeah got it now, you didn't explain it well before. Do you really think they will add more playlists when the small community is spread thin enough as it is amongst the current playlists and the DLC content?

It is hard enough to find a game already. Also there are playlists already which have no cloak, it's called Classic mode and no-one plays it.

Pc-Player. ^^

But this thread could be in the general Discussion section, because it fits to every platform. This Thread somehow caught my eye.

people want to make cloak better and anti cloak measures better...whats the point if they are both made stronger? they cancel each other out then...

This thread can be closed now.

I have made a new thread taking on board everyone's suggestions and it can be found here: http://www.gamesas.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=41&t=28478&p=308236#p308236

Wrong link, doood...