Dice rolls can die a sad, pathetic, painful death. Ex post facto "you misseded" animations don't cut it. If my sword passes through your head, I hit. There's room to judge (randomly) whether I hit cleanly, or deflected across your armor. But dice better not decide my perfectly timed and positioned strike magically bent around a mudcrab because dice said so. And NEVER? Nope. Even a blind squirrel finds a nut. Even I can hit a home run off a major league pitcher (but it may take a long time to make it happen, since I'm about a 2 in baseball). Even an inept user of blunt weapons has a chance of making a correct swing at a decent speed with a weapon of overwhelming heft. In fact, solid hits with a warhammer should almost always do more damage. Whether a hit is solid or not... and how quickly hits can be delivered... that's up for grabs...

Why don't we just import Assassin's Creed's combat system while we're at it?

I'm guessing the combat's going to be better than Oblivion, but at the time when Oblivion came out the combat was pretty interesting, as it wasn't that many games that provided a better combat system. For it's time, Oblivions combat was pretty interesting.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WG0YM35goSE

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cI5RUKBTZWg&feature=related

That's M&B in a glance. I really think this combat could have been implemented into TES wonderfully, then again maybe not. It's just plain fun, though. :shrug:

Not just random button mashing, you actually have to think. Feints, counters, parries etc. Your mouse controls what direction you swing, what direction you block. You press the attack button, and move your mouse upwards at the same time, and you get an upwards attack. You press the block button at the same time as moving the mouse up, you block upwards. Intuitive. And for an indie game, the AI wasn't actually that bad in 1v1 combat, or maybe I just svck. The AI is a bit clumsy when you get 100v100 combat, but that doesn't happen in TES.

Dicerolls can easily be commended with proper blocking, counterblowing or evading animations. No need for "bending swords" or "non-materialised" enemies. No need to get rid of the rolls, just tweak their outcome to give a proper presentation.

I have a love-hate relationship with RNG systems. On the one hand, I like the idea of having to focus your character's development right from the get-go, and spreading your attributes evenly results in an overall weaker character. On the other hand, I very much dislike how one bad die roll, something out of your control, can completely ruin a battle that was going in your favor. This is especially noticeable in systems that incorporate Critical Failures.

Anyway, this far along in development, I don't think Bethesda will change their combat system. So keep your fingers crossed and hope for the best!

I'm not quite sure what "RNG" means. Anyway, I actually like the potentiality of a failure (or success) that is beyond my control up to certain respects - I like the feeling of not being completely in control of everything as it gives my character a certain personality and abilities of his own (something which I appreciate in RPGs); a feeling that my character is doing the job through his abilities but on my command.

That said, I too doubt Bethesda will change/have changed much (at least not towards the RPG side of combat) - but one can always hope. I'll keep my fingers crossed.

actually that looks like crap IMO. maybe its actually more fun when being played. and also its 3rd person. TES games are always made first for 1st person, and then they just throw 3rd person in.

Random Number [G]enerator, AKA, how computers "roll" dice .

If I'm going to fail, I prefer something that isn't as out of my control in combat as a bad die roll. If it's something like I moved my mouse too far and attacked the thin air beside my opponent, then I'd be good with it. It gives me room to improve my reflexes (among other things) rather than wait for a level up and improve my character's stats.

This isn't to say that I am completely against RNG. Little uses of it, like Starcraft's cover mechanic, or a few GW hexes, where it causes a tactical shift.

Anything but Morrowind. After playing Oblivion I just couldn't play that.

Anything but Morrowind. After playing Oblivion I just couldn't play that. Personally I'd like to see a bit more depth to magic. Some mods added that, but I always felt that it became overpowered or that I was the only one to receive the benefits.
Also, with sneak attacks, lets make people care when one of their comrades suddenly drops down dead. "Hmm, Bert's dead. Must have been the wind"

Morrowind combat was good but the reason it failed was that the player had the same chances of making a succesfull hit, no matter who you fought.

They could fix it by giving enemy types different dodge chances, so powerfull creatures like Dremora could have like 66 % dodge chance, and a rat could have like 15 %. This means that small enemies like tats, mudcabs, imps and all those kinda creatures woul be easy to hit.

It didnt annoy me that I missed all the time, but it annoyd me that weak creatures was as easy to miss as the powerfull ones.

I wish combat involved die rolls like in Morrowind, but with block and dodge animations since we're in 2011 now (soon). But I know this won't happen.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WG0YM35goSE

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cI5RUKBTZWg&feature=related

That's M&B in a glance. I really think this combat could have been implemented into TES wonderfully, then again maybe not. It's just plain fun, though. :shrug:

Not just random button mashing, you actually have to think. Feints, counters, parries etc. Your mouse controls what direction you swing, what direction you block. You press the attack button, and move your mouse upwards at the same time, and you get an upwards attack. You press the block button at the same time as moving the mouse up, you block upwards. Intuitive. And for an indie game, the AI wasn't actually that bad in 1v1 combat, or maybe I just svck. The AI is a bit clumsy when you get 100v100 combat, but that doesn't happen in TES.