Agreed, i also think they should do something with the magic system, the spellcasting system feels extremly stiff/static. At minimum they at least need to add far more impressive spell-graphics and more types of spells.
As for combat i want better animations, more type of weapons(spears, throwing weapons..) and more variety. Though i think the base of the system they already have is good, so they should just add things rather then make something complete new.

Hopefully they won't nerf the combat skills even further

So are we talking about something like the Oblivion mod Deadly Reflex?

Is Deadly Reflex combat similar to M&B? I didn't pay M&B but I heard that Deadly Reflex improves Oblivion's combat a _ton_.

Thank you, now I'll have to buy the second game, Warband. :rolleyes:

I have not played Oblivion with Deadly Reflexes.

But M&B's combat is all about the feel of the combat scene, as you swinging a sword toward the head of the guys in front of your mount as you ride that mount toward them.

It is all about precision, timing and swinging the mouse in the right direction in the right time, using the left mouse button for attack moves and the right mouse button for defense.

It is hard to master, but if you can do that, it is great.

Honestly, TES 4 cpmbat system was ok for me.

Agree with the people suggesting M&B combat. If Bethesda can gain 'inspiration' from that and make it look nice in first-person view then we'll have a winner.

How about you ask me again several weeks after it's released for the real systems? :bolt:
I don't own a console, and can't justify buying console + TV + renting larger accomodations to play games...

Seriously. I won't know until some arbitrary time after the PC port comes out.

Honestly, I just don't like Morrowind's combat. Dice rolls are all right in third person when you're somewhat detached from the action, but in first I just hate the idea you can miss repeatedly and there's not a damn thing you can do about it except keep clicking. Yes. I put God only knows how many hours into the game both vanilla and modded.

My gripe with Oblivion's combat was that yes, you could stand there and wail on someone for ten minutes before you killed them - but it wasn't necessarily the combat system's fault. It was that goofy "everyone levels with you" system that managed to kill both combat and exploration in one fell swoop. ("Finally killed him! Crap, another Iron Sword. How long until I hit level ten already?") Combat in TES has always been fairly simplistic, and that's fine with me. Just make the challenges variable - so I can get stomped at level 1 if I take on something vastly out of my reach, or dominate lower level enemies once I become skilled - and I'm happy.

Brotherhoods combat is the same or very similar to AC2's combat, which is already out on PC. You can play that to get a feel for it.

After 74.9 hours of it, I think I've got the hang of how it works :snoring:
It's all block and counter to win. Brotherhood is supposed to remedy that (with combo kills, which are not TES-like, in my arrogant opinion), but the fact is that the combat is only great for up to 3-4 enemies up through AC2. Once you pass that threshold, it's tedious.

You are doing it wrong.

My AC2 combat experience was pretty varied. Assassinate or throw a few knives to even my chances, dodge, kick, slice 'em up. Big guys coming after me? Taunt the lower tier guard to make him attack first. Counter when I need to take a weapon or I meet one of those nimble guards, but other than that stay aggressive and make the rest run away out of fear.

You just gotta think like an assassin.

Personally, I hated M&B's system with a burning passion. It didn't feel fluid or intuitive, just frustrating.

I just hope that they make the combat more character skill based this time around. Kinda like Morrowind's system with the proper animations and sfx.

I would like to have a combation of Morrowind and Oblivion. Oblivion′s combat system was fine, but i would like to have some dice rolls on parry,block and dodge effects (animated if possible) also i think fatigue should be more important, but not as annoying as in Morrowind (If fatigue is low, you cannot hit at all and your spell casting chance is lowered). I would also like to have spellfailure chance a comeback. I think it was a cool element, but i think it could be less harsh than in Morrowind. Morrowinds casting failure made using Magic quite tedious, but it felt really powerful when you could cast some über spells and high casting chance. :flamethrower:

Here my two septims..

-Emp-

I absolutely love the combat of Oblivion, I felt it was raw and very physical. But since that there's a couple of games that have done it even better, Mount & Blade and Demon's Souls. I am sure the combat in Skyrim will be fantastic.

Dark Messiah of Might and Magic's combat is pretty nice too.

am I the only person that thought it was ok, if you are pure mele, magic, or arch then yeh your flawed, but if you combine them it gets interesting

I like Daggerfall's, perhaps with a twist (marked with +)

Down-slash/overhead-swing does more damage, with a lesser chance to hit. +A small chance to break guard & stun for a few seconds. For dealing with warriors.

Side slashes do normal damage, with normal chance to hit. +A small chance to cause a gaping wound = small temporary damage-over-time. For those pesky running archers.

Stabbing does less damage, with a higher chance to hit. + A small chance to double-strike. For dealing quick damage to physically weak mages.

Archers, with well-aimed shots to certain areas, could cause silence, critical hits, or a short stun(which would be just short of a critical hit).

Mages - spell crits of varying types per element.

As long as my blade cuts into the body instead of hitting some box outside the NPC's avatar then I'm happy.

Combat system has never been a problem
Difficulty system is a real problem.

I am afraid, having seen the M&B combat videos and having played a lot of Oblivion, that M&B combat might be too "realistic", too much on the "simulation" side, as opposed to the "arcade" approach of Oblivion.

In plain words, M&B system might be too difficult / frustrating for the mainstream / casual customer crowd (which I count myself to be part of). I see how a system like M&B could be fantastic for a player with enough
patience and determination to learn all the ropes. But many people (maybe not the majority on this forum though) expect different things from a game, for better or for worse.

There's a lot room for improvement / tuning of the Oblivion system, but my guess is they won't be going in the direction of making it more realistic at the risk of possibly making it too tedious for the average customer.

I hope I am wrong, though, and they'll come up with a brilliant system that is both simple, realistic and fun to play. Or they will create a setup option to switch between the simple and realistic approach (something like
the hardcoe mode in Fallout: NV, but regarding some combat parameters).

Incidentally, when talking about the combat system, let's stop for a moment and look at the physics system (which is a related topic). It was lovely in Oblivion that you could pick up stuff, throw it around, drag bodies,
etc. but don't you get the feeling that the items (especially weapons) felt too "light" and lacking in inertia? Those swords flying in the air as if they were made of cardboard. And the bodies, behaving like rag dolls,
and falling down after the final strike like they were puppets whose strings have been cut. Lots of room for improvement there, IMO.

Umm, yes you could. Expert rank Block perk, successfully blocking gave you a chance at performing a shield bash to stagger your foe.

If they add the Morrowind thing of doing more damage depending on how you attack, and the various animations that were missing in Oblivion (stabbing), but keep Oblivions player skill over numbers system I'll be happy.

Yes! Thank you! Dark Messiah had excellent combat imo. Very satisfying when you were hacking up orcs and what not