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Post » Sat May 28, 2011 6:03 pm

New Vegas is a Fallout spin-off and not a Fallout sequel that's why. Simple as that.


FALLOUT 3 is not a SEQUAL. It does not continue the story of Fallout 2.

"Sitruc, on 13 February 2011 - 10:42 AM, said:


It needs to be understood that there are huge differences in game-play time-gaps between the sequels, with a spread of something like 200 years overall. Do not expect a sequel to be a direct continuation of the previous scenario days events. It is sequel in content, game-play and scenario style of game-play and is referred to as being a "series" it need not directly follow the previous days situation."


Fallout 3 does not take place 200 years after Fallout 2 it takes place 36 years after. Fallout 3 does not fit the the definition of sequal. By your definition Fallout Tactics is a sequel and so is New Vegas. Second by the same definition Fallout 3 is not a sequel became Fallout 3 changes the style of Ghouls/Super Mutants/Power Armour/ Wasteland and its not a RPG its a FPS sandbox game.

Fact is Fallout 3 is not a sequel because it does not continue the story of Fallout 2.

Sequel: 1) A book, film, or programme that continues the story of an earlier one. 2) Something that takes place after or as a result of an earlier event. -Origin Latin sequella.

Just because it has a 3 next to it does not make it a sequel.



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Post » Sat May 28, 2011 9:22 am

Al, airbursting spreads even more devastation. The two bombs dropped on Japan where airbursts. when you air burst the shock and heat wave aren't obstructed by terrain as much. So if they indeed Airburst the nukes over DC there would be nothing standing.
http://newsjunkiepost.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/08/hiroshima_wideweb__430x323.jpg <- like so.
http://blog.katania.be/assets/2009/03/atomic_blast_wave.jpg <- testing they did Airbursting the bomb prototype by putting it up in the air suspended in a tower.

If the bomb burries itself in the ground with an impact explosion most of the energy is throwing up all the dirt so it does less damage and is blocked by hills and stuff.
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Post » Sat May 28, 2011 6:02 pm

New Vegas is a Fallout spin-off and not a Fallout sequel that's why. Simple as that.



You keep using that argument?

By that logic

How Tactics

A TRUE spin off

Have the same atmosphere of the old games and NV

even the Burned Game have the same atmosphere

And its non-canon :facepalm:
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Post » Sat May 28, 2011 9:00 am

Nvs atmosphere is realistic unlike 3s where bombs fell 200 years ago yet everything has rads and it looks like it happend 7 hours ago AND THEY DONT KNOW HOW TO FARM


Capital wasteland was hit more or less directly by nukes, Vegas wasn't. Both games have huge gaps in logic and general reality. I don't play these games for ultra-realism.
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Post » Sat May 28, 2011 4:05 pm

Both games have huge gaps in logic and general reality. I don't play these games for ultra-realism.


I concur :foodndrink:
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Post » Sat May 28, 2011 5:52 pm

I hope fallout 4 wont lack logic :cookie:
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Post » Sat May 28, 2011 10:58 am

Al, airbursting spreads even more devastation. The two bombs dropped on Japan where airbursts. when you air burst the shock and heat wave aren't obstructed by terrain as much. So if they indeed Airburst the nukes over DC there would be nothing standing.
http://newsjunkiepost.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/08/hiroshima_wideweb__430x323.jpg <- like so.
http://blog.katania.be/assets/2009/03/atomic_blast_wave.jpg <- testing they did Airbursting the bomb prototype by putting it up in the air suspended in a tower.

If the bomb burries itself in the ground with an impact explosion most of the energy is throwing up all the dirt so it does less damage and is blocked by hills and stuff.

Keep in mind that lot of houses in Hiroshima probably were made out of wood. Look at the church - stone and still standing, but the roof is gone.
Still, it's a lot of devestation and that was just one nuke. But how many nukes hit D.C.? Then you gotta keep in mind that D.C.'s a lot of concrete and metal, and it's bigger. But still..... ;)

And that last link doesn't work either :/
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Post » Sat May 28, 2011 12:04 pm

Well F:NV is the most true to the series (of the two) so guess where my vote goes to.
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New Vegas

New Vegas is a Fallout spin-off and not a Fallout sequel that's why. Simple as that.

Say what? I said say WHAT?!
Have you played Fallout 1 and 2?
Have you?
well?

Honestly...

Fallout 1 -> fallout 2 ->Fallout:Van Buren -> Fallout: New Vegas -> Fallout: ?
Meanwhile at the other end of America, other people have other problems:
Fallout 3 -> Fallout: ?
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Post » Sat May 28, 2011 11:21 am

I like D.C cuz it was more post apoc but i do agree that it did look more like the war was like a few months ago instead of 200 years and they could have at least had some none irradeated food even for beeing hit with lots of nukes it still could have had a farm. New vegas fixed the holl war seming like a few months ago but it did over do it in some ways. I just hope that fallout 4 fixxes the holl thing and hopefully there will be just enough destuction and post apoc and just enough progres to make it feal just right :rock: and also its ma birthday! :cake: im know 16 :dance:
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Post » Sat May 28, 2011 8:52 am

:facepalm:

You know what, Blow each others brains out arguing on this one like a bunch of children, I'm getting my armor, Voting, getting my trusty Gauss Rifle, and going out on patrol, and if i am lucky, i might find some Sugar Bombs! :clap:
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Post » Sat May 28, 2011 6:37 am

:facepalm:

You know what, Blow each others brains out arguing on this one like a bunch of children, I'm getting my armor, Voting, getting my trusty Gauss Rifle, and going out on patrol, and if i am lucky, i might find some Sugar Bombs! :clap:

Be careful, Just be prepared if you return home and your base has been blown to pieces :whistling:
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Post » Sat May 28, 2011 8:50 pm

Cant we all just agree that all fallouts are good except the one that never happend in texas :poke: :ahhh: :grad: :slap: :rofl: :wavey: :dance: :drool: :
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Post » Sat May 28, 2011 9:02 pm

Just what I'm noticing on playing through fallout 3 and fallout new vegas is that fallout 3 is alot more true to 1950's world of tommorrow concept (Vaults, pip boys, threat from Reds, nuka-cola being dominant, newspapers, hairstyle, automation in daily life, and more!) The only way Fallout new vegas relates to this is maybe the Lucky 38 tower and the gutted Vaults as opposed to the intact ones in fallout 3. Any thoughts on why New Vegas simply blows in this aspect of the Fallout series?

I don't think it does. There are plenty more world of tomorrow examples in NV, you just havent been paying attention.
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Post » Sat May 28, 2011 10:00 am

Fallout 3 had some problems, sure, but this isn't one of them. The answers are in the game. The DC area was hard hit (must have been airbursts, though, or nothing would be standing) and absorbed a lot of radiation. The water was ruined -- you can't grow edible food from irradiated soil and water. The settlers here (whose timeline is admittedly wonky) cannot farm (It's plainly a trade society, though the game missteps by only vaguely alluding to the outside areas they trade with). Dr. Li is in Rivet City trying to perfect large scale hydroponics because the land will not support agriculture.

There are lots of perfectly legitimate criticisms of fallout 3, but this one is unsupported and needs to be put to rest.

Oh, yeah -- Fallout radiation is not real life radiation. In real life it persists for thousands of years. The inhabitants of Fallout got off easy.


There is a terminal in a ruined house which explains that origional survivors of the war established an irrigation system and bred cattle. http://fallout.wikia.com/wiki/Hilltop_farm_ruins_terminal_entries, they messed up even their own canon, progress took place yet they neglected to show it or mention it aside from a small terminal in the ass-end of nowhere.

Hell it even says people "rode" past as in horses? Was this made by somebody who had no idea of the plot?
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Post » Sat May 28, 2011 5:58 pm

Cant we all just agree that all fallouts are good except the one that never happend in texas :poke: :ahhh: :grad: :slap: :rofl: :wavey: :dance: :drool: :

NO! :swear:
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Post » Sat May 28, 2011 8:44 am

Capital wasteland was hit more or less directly by nukes, Vegas wasn't. Both games have huge gaps in logic and general reality. I don't play these games for ultra-realism.

Well said. you could pick holes and flaws in all the fallout games. One man can walk in to caesar's camp and kill everyone! People need to remember this is a GAME! If it was exactly like real life it would be a pretty dull post apocalyptic world
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Post » Sat May 28, 2011 8:40 pm

:dmc: :banana: :banana: :banana: :banana: not nessiserly if any one remebers a post on offical fallout 4 suggestions 3 there was a post (not my post) about ways fallout could be more rpgish and it was very thought out and very amasing :rock: and if you havnt read it i strongly think you should :tops: :run:

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Post » Sat May 28, 2011 7:12 am

You want to know my response to that? Why in the bloody hell is anyone still living there if it is so bad off?

This is my response to even more people talking about how hard DC was hit by the nukes.
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Post » Sat May 28, 2011 4:25 pm

There is a terminal in a ruined house which explains that origional survivors of the war established an irrigation system and bred cattle. http://fallout.wikia.com/wiki/Hilltop_farm_ruins_terminal_entries, they messed up even their own canon, progress took place yet they neglected to show it or mention it aside from a small terminal in the ass-end of nowhere.

Hell it even says people "rode" past as in horses? Was this made by somebody who had no idea of the plot?

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Post » Sat May 28, 2011 7:32 am

Al, airbursting spreads even more devastation. The two bombs dropped on Japan where airbursts. when you air burst the shock and heat wave aren't obstructed by terrain as much. So if they indeed Airburst the nukes over DC there would be nothing standing.
http://newsjunkiepost.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/08/hiroshima_wideweb__430x323.jpg <- like so.
http://blog.katania.be/assets/2009/03/atomic_blast_wave.jpg <- testing they did Airbursting the bomb prototype by putting it up in the air suspended in a tower.

If the bomb burries itself in the ground with an impact explosion most of the energy is throwing up all the dirt so it does less damage and is blocked by hills and stuff.


Maybe a heavy barrage of mini-nukes? No?

I stand corrected; thanks for the info.

My modus operandi in situations like this (trying to excuse an irregularity in a game, movie, etc) is probably backwards to a lot of people. I look at it, say 'That's the way it is', and wonder why. I suspect most people just look and say, 'That isn't what would happen'. So when I look at the DC wasteland, I try to justify the weird stuff, because there it is, you know?
You win a few, you lose a few. In the end, it's just a game setting to me. I love the West, but I love the East as well.
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Post » Sat May 28, 2011 10:45 am

You want to know my response to that? Why in the bloody hell is anyone still living there if it is so bad off?


You got me, man. Maybe the news they get from outside makes everywhere else seem worse?
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Post » Sat May 28, 2011 11:23 am

Really the only reason I point it out is because it breaks from the established nuclear devastation set down by the previous lore and locations. I don't mind them putting new stuff in that makes sense with the setting and lore, it them reconning is what I don't like. (returning factions of the opposite side of the country. magically had SM over there as well as enclave. Suddenly all the established weapons/robots/kit are totally different and so forth.
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Post » Sat May 28, 2011 2:57 pm

Maybe a heavy barrage of mini-nukes? No?

I stand corrected; thanks for the info.

My modus operandi in situations like this (trying to excuse an irregularity in a game, movie, etc) is probably backwards to a lot of people. I look at it, say 'That's the way it is', and wonder why. I suspect most people just look and say, 'That isn't what would happen'. So when I look at the DC wasteland, I try to justify the weird stuff, because there it is, you know?
You win a few, you lose a few. In the end, it's just a game setting to me. I love the West, but I love the East as well.

I dont question the way it is, i question why anyone still lives there.
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Post » Sat May 28, 2011 7:21 am

New Vegas is a Fallout spin-off and not a Fallout sequel that's why. Simple as that.


Sorry, but what do you mean? None of them are sequels, really, although 1, 2 and New Vegas have a sort of broad story arc. Fallout 3 is the odd one out. It may have a number after it but if anything's a spin off it's Fallout 3.
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Post » Sat May 28, 2011 4:50 pm

I don't see what the problem with BoS and the Enclave being in Fallout 3 is. Correct me if i'm wrong, but The Enclave was the "Shadow Government" of the United States before the war? Wouldn't it make sense for them to have presence in close proximity of the capital?

As for BoS, yes it seems a bit silly to send a chapter all the way across country to retrieve technology, but not complelety implausible (IMO) either.
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