Pocket Planes/Dimensions

Post » Tue May 17, 2011 2:52 am

What do we know of them, if anything? Can they be created by a powerful mage, a daedric prince, a God? Are they part of Oblivion (a la Paradise, in a way), or in their own world?
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Post » Tue May 17, 2011 5:30 am

What do we know of them, if anything? Can they be created by a powerful mage, a daedric prince, a God? Are they part of Oblivion (a la Paradise, in a way), or in their own world?


I don't know if the Daedra created theirs, but I think a mage created the Battlespire. I interpret them all as worlds within Oblivion.
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Post » Tue May 17, 2011 11:05 am

Okay, forget everything you learned from Planescape or Dnd. There are no planes. It's probably better to think of Oblivion as a region of space between Mundus and Aetherius. Mortal mental stress just makes things look different depending on where you stand.

But it is all the Aurbis and the Aurbis is made up of two things, void and magic. One provides the space for existence, the other the possibility. You can't really be in either extreme as there is very little space to act in or no possibility to act out. When the mix, there is room for actual existence. I wrote about this idea in http://www.imperial-library.info/fsg/prowelerarticle1.shtml.

So yeah, they can be created. Battlespire is an example, some Telvani wizards have their own set of realms. Anyway, there is more about planes and planets in http://www.imperial-library.info/obscure_text/cosmology.shtml.

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You can even think of Mehrunes lava world as a polder sitting right ontop of the fiery barrier that keeps the Daedra. After a sigil stone is shot through the barrier, it will annul the magic of the barrier, allow holes to form and creating a pocket of existence for the Daedra to stage an attack.
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Post » Tue May 17, 2011 8:42 am

Lol, what spawned this rampage of knowledge dropping you've done in recent threads?

In no way am I complaining, but I just saw it as odd.
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Post » Tue May 17, 2011 12:24 pm

Lol, what spawned this rampage of knowledge dropping you've done in recent threads?

In no way am I complaining, but I just saw it as odd.

Um... have you forgotten who Proweler is?

Or has he been falling down on the job?
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Post » Tue May 17, 2011 11:15 am

Eh, guess its just me then.
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Lewis Morel
 
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Post » Tue May 17, 2011 2:39 am

Or has he been falling down on the job?


Nawh, it's just that I had this disease called High School that left me with too much spare time back then.

You seem to have been covering nicely though.
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Post » Tue May 17, 2011 8:59 am

I kill for that free time now...
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Post » Tue May 17, 2011 11:00 am

Okay, forget everything you learned from Planescape or Dnd.

Never played/studied either.

Anyways, thanks for the linkies/info Proweler. :foodndrink:

So two questions though.
1) So it takes constant input of magicka to keep the pocket in existence?
2) Am I correct in saying that it may be possible to roam the void through the heavy use of magicka, as atronachs do?
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Post » Tue May 17, 2011 2:24 pm

2) Am I correct in saying that it may be possible to roam the void through the heavy use of magicka, as atronachs do?


Go do some research on mananauts. Might find what your looking for.
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Post » Mon May 16, 2011 11:56 pm

Okay, forget everything you learned from Planescape or Dnd.

Never played/studied either.

Anyways, thanks for the linkies/info Proweler. :foodndrink:

So two questions though.
1) So it takes constant input of magicka to keep the pocket in existence?
2) Am I correct in saying that it may be possible to roam the void through the heavy use of magicka, as atronachs do?


1) It would take some kind of magical anchor, I think. So I guess the answer is yes.

"Transliminal passage of quickened objects or entities without the persistent agency of hyperagonal media is not possible..." from http://www.imperial-library.info/obbooks/liminal_bridges.shtml.

2) In http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=9DfG1SNydnc&feature=channel_page http://www.imperial-library.info/obbooks/doors_oblivion.shtml, Morian Zenas traveled Oblivion: "'Dust,' he whispered to me on the first day of his voyage. Despite the inherent dreariness of the word, I could hear his excitement in his voice, echoing in my mind. 'I can see from one end of the world to the other in a million shades of gray. There is no sky or ground or air, only particles, floating, falling, whirling about me. I must levitate and breathe by magickal means ...' " And if I recall, expeditions have been sent to Aetherius, traveling by magical means.

*I'm terrible.
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Post » Tue May 17, 2011 6:40 am

1. Yes, there is http://www.imperial-library.info/bsbooks/anchor_warning.shtml on a set off anchors in the Battlespire that suggests it.

I don't think the really-extreme-dying-pain thingies to bring things-that-are-alive through the barrier mentioned in the Liminal Bridges are required though. The process described means as much as-opening-the-gate-from-the-other-side, and considering the other side is Nirn and the purpose of these gates seems to be trade-with-Daedra, I reckon that the Liminal Barrier mostly keep the Daedra out.

The Doors to Oblivion mention something allong the same lines, you can stop to be here, and start to be in Oblivion. Which suggest again that the Liminal Barrier isn't there for mortals.

2. Morias Zenas seems to have been skipping from Daedric realm to Daedric realm, not so much travel through the void. Though the Mananauts seem to have.
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Post » Tue May 17, 2011 3:19 pm

Many thanks to all!
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Post » Tue May 17, 2011 2:57 pm

Man just what i needed too, a thread about pocket dismensions!

Just a few questions though,
1. If the anchor is broken, does it destroy the realm or simly bring allow easier access to it through portals?
2. How hard is it to set up a gate between pocket dismensions?
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Post » Tue May 17, 2011 2:58 am

1. I think you're confusing the barrier that keeps the Daedra out of Mundus with the Anchor that keeps the the Battlespire in place.

2. As difficult as the plot needs it to be.
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Post » Tue May 17, 2011 1:45 am

1. I think you're confusing the barrier that keeps the Daedra out of Mundus with the Anchor that keeps the the Battlespire in place.

2. As difficult as the plot needs it to be.


yes - the earlier question was what happens and I think the word maintain seems useful = if the anchor is loosed either it can go flying off into the void as one whole object - maybe banging into anything in its way, never to be seen again, or flys apart?

reduced the earth to zero movement then the rest of the solar system would appear to fly off instantly - and the rest of the galaxy lollop away maybe ... so I recon the forces maintaining the battlespire have to be some kind of awesome however you specify their intensity or define their precise function.
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