So even though Todd and company says things are being streamlined......you still disagree. and yes all of those are nice, it doesnt mean they answer for things gone.


I have a sixy Ferrari, engine roars like a neather beast but their are no seats, the steering wheel is gone and the gas tank is missng, oh thats all fine and well though it has GPS, a DVD player and new car smell.

So even though Todd and company says things are being streamlined

They aren't removing abilities and features because they think they're "pointless," "redundant," or "extraneous." Now, I can't say what their motives really are, but I can tell you that what they've taken and the excuses they've given us as to why they've been removed are just that, excuses. They're removing features for reasons that they obviously don't want us to know, think that we'll disagree with, or otherwise find to not be good reasons to allow for their removal.

It seems that whenever Bethesda decides to axe a feature from Skyrim, a common response is for people to say that the feature was redundant, or that is was pointless. Spears were pointless, they were just retextured swords. Mysticism was redundant, it didn't serve a clear purpose. Throwing weapons were pointless, they were too weak. Pauldrons and Greaves are extraneous, it makes more sense to just combine them. Crossbows were pointless, they were just too slow for an adventurer. Levitation and Mark/Recall are cheap mechanics, allow players to take the easy way out.

I really do not understand this logic. In a RPG like TES, a game where the main draw is the ability to do whatever you want, words like "pointless" and "redundant" should not exist. A player should have the ability to freely customize his character with minimal restrictions. Sure, I guess you can write off merged armor slots as not that big of a deal, but didn't we deal with the same thing in Oblivion? What happens in TESIV, when Bethesda decides to make things even easier by giving us one piece armor sets? Will it still not matter?

According to this logic, almost every feature in a TES game is redundant. Axes and Blunt weapons are redundant, they're just retextured swords. Daggers, short blades, and claymores are redundant. Daggers and short blades are just weaker long swords, and claymores and just too slow for an adventurer. Destruction magic is redundant, we already have swords and bows, and destruction magic is just too complicated. Restoration magic is pointless, we already have potions. Heavy armor is pointless, it's just too slow for an adventurer. Actually, almost every single equipment type is redundant, the only one that matters is Daedric. Iron and steel weapons are just too weak, the only weapon in the game should be a Daedric long sword...

Yes, that is an exaggeration of the problem, but it has been a common theme in every TES game (barring Daggerfall) to give us less and less features and customization. You can say that less armor slots isn't that big of a deal, but it will eventually reach the point where we will have no customization at all, and TES will become a linear action game, where you won't be able to deviate from the path that Bethesda has set. Bethesda may have some surprises in store for Skyrim. Who knows, I might be completely wrong. But at this point, I can't say that I like the direction that Bethesda is taking the series

Yep, and the more features they remove from TES games the less TES they become - Bethesda seem to love pulling this crap. This is why Morrowind will forever and always be the true fan favourite, and the best TES game - it's original, it knew what it wanted to be, and it didn't betray itself by bowing down to console buddies and complainers on the forums.

They got Dragons in the game in a way unlike anything seen before.


they have NPC relationships and marriage.


but can't add weapon types beyond flailing weapons?


mmmmmh

They had to make choices as to what they worked on
Things like budgets, schedules, not wanting TES V to be the Duke Nukem Forever of the series mean you can't have everything

the point of that post was not PUT EVERTHING IN. the point of that post is to say They can do this, so why after 2 games are they still not doing that.

the point of that post was not PUT EVERTHING IN. the point of that post is to say They can do this, so why after 2 games are they still not doing that.

Got this one guys...


Because they don't want to. They want to do something else. :woot:

So they spend time putiing spears in and make A happy, but B is unhappy because they had to abandon working on something else to put spears in and C, D, E etc are unhappy because they chose to put spears back in rather than Mysticism or horse combat or whatever

Pauldrons and Greaves are extraneous, it makes more sense to just combine them.

Some people will simply defend any changes Bethesda make, with no regard for logic whatsoever. :shrug:

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Spears, crossbows and throwing weapons were not redundant - they needed improving, yes, but not removing entirely. When you remove them entirely, you're removing a number of people's favourite weapons. I guess we can thank perks and finisher moves for that.

Having separate armour pieces was not redundant - a vast amount of people will have mixed and matched armour in previous TES games, rather than walking around like an NPC in a full set.

Birthsigns were not redundant - they had little impact in terms of gameplay, but added a lot of flavour to the character creation process for many people.

Athletics and acrobatics were not redundant - they just needed to be improved. Not everyone wants to be a mage, warrior or thief - by removing those skills, you're effectively removing how a lot of people like to roleplay.

Oblivion

Swords Blunts arrows


Skyrim

Swords, blunts Arrows.

Guys guys guys how about this.......we wait till holy day (11/11/11) and see if it svcks (most likely it wont
) which i'm guessing at least everyone on this forum will buy it.

ill agree this thread is a bit more on the whiny complaining side when trying to talk about all the recent simplified changes or removals... but all the negative threads about this topic you see nonstop lately kind of shows a lot of people are unhappy. ;/

They cordoned off a small team to Work Dragons for 2 years while work on the base game continued. and your telling me the phase when they were developing weapons, they couldnt make spears


yeah this isnt going to go anywhere

Yep, and the more features they remove from TES games the less TES they become - Bethesda seem to love pulling this crap. This is why Morrowind will forever and always be the true fan favourite, and the best TES game - it's original, it knew what it wanted to be, and it didn't betray itself by bowing down to console buddies and complainers on the forums.

The problem is, I don't want to end up wasting 60 dollars on a disappointment. I really wish Bethesda would release some new information or show more gameplay.

Daggerfall was better. Morrowind cut down dungeon complexity, the amount of gear, and the vastness of Daggerfall. Daggerfall was much more unique, and certainly more groundbreaking. Morrowind lost the vastness of Daggerfall and sacrificed it for more cult classic uniqueness that makes it inaccessible to most new people to the series.

/ridiculous claim that my preference is right and yours is wrong.

Although in all reality I DO think Daggerfall is a better game.

I'm just not ACTUALLY all elitist about it like your post was.