I think I'm gonna go for Daenia. I like being on the frontier, hehe.

But you see, it is revenge. The 13 Colonies acted independent from the British long before the Declaration of Independence was signed. United Bretony is a separate faction despite the claims of Wayrest. It wouldn't be revenge if Wayrest initiated war, but it would be if United Bretony did. From the OP, it sounds like Wayrest is in no condition to launch an invasion. So that means that any conflict between the two would most likely be revenge.



The difference between the nobility of Europe and Daggerfall is that the nobility of Daggerfall isn't as tightly woven as Europe. Sure there has been overlapping of royal family trees in Daggerfall, but in Imperial Europe the King of Spain could be cousins with the the King of Austria-Hungary, brother of the Queen of France, and uncle of the Czar of Russia. The royal families saw themselves above the matters of their country. Not so much with Daggerfall and Wayrest who have hated each other since the First Era. They haven't had an excessive amount of violence, but economically they have duked it out since man has lived in High Rock. Obviously they both feel threatened, but would they feel threatened enough to consider a long-time rival a new ally? That may be the mystique of the plot, but it would ruin the RP if the two monarchs forgot all animosity and got along as well as Canada and the U.S.A.

You aren't getting it Stevie. Those states have just seceded from Wayrest (an absolute Monarchy) and Wayrest doesn't like it. You want to use the American Revolutionary War? England went to war, didn't they?




Dude, the players make up the "coulds and woulds".

PFA is more knowledgeable than most people on the forum on history; he is up there with ImmortalBlood and GeraldDuval. I am no idiot at it either. I am pretty knowledgeable myself in the subject. We know what we are talking about.

Stevie PMed me and said he wants Camlorn.

Seeing that no one has offered to take it, Stevie will hold his claim. I have read some of his posts and they seem to be detailed, so he shall get Camlorn for the time being.

I think the idea will be up for some time, maybe a week or so. We need ONE more person to get rolling.

dibs on Wayrest.

The difference is that in the OP you stated that the United Bretony, although fragilely put together, is stronger combined than Wayrest. That was not the case in the Revolutionary War. Great Britain had the most expansive empire ever assembled, even with the secession of the colonies. You're right, the Revolutionary War wasn't about revenge for oppression because Britain caused it. However, it is unlikely that Wayrest would attack United Bretony in this situation because they would be overpowered.



But in the current situation there aren't many "coulds and woulds" without Deus Ex Machinama. Either Wayrest and Daggerfall become the aggressors by forming an untrustworthy pact. Or United Bretony decides it's time for a little more respect.

The players must find a political way around that. Don't start political plans in the thread.

Think I'll take Kambria. Nice little town on the border of conflict. It'll be a blast, I'm sure.

Tenochtitlan had 300,000 people living in it...so....ya.

Well-well-well. I would be willing to join in this. Coming out of retirement~

Anyways, let me get down to the reviewing. First of all: there needs to be a financial system. RPers, and don't take this seriously, tend to pull money out of thin air. There must be concequences for every single thing: and the hosts will have to jump down throats with this. The treasury of a country is not infinite, therefor, there will have to be an understanding between said RPers and hosts about how much a country has. The ruler(s), of course, can pull money from the people, but that can have catalysmic effects which can utterly destroy a country. This includes revolts, depressions, rich get richer poor get poorer, etc. You get the gist. Anyways, places like Orsinium or Black Marsh, for example, would not need as much money to rally their troops. Why? Because they are self-reliant countries. They rely more on the earth and it's minerals rather then the coin, making them a financially stable country, even on the rainy days. This doesn't mean, however, that said rulers are exempt from the financial police, because, they can still run themselves into a wall and run out of money.

Now for the fun stuff! I am guessing that most of this will be centered around High Rock, and the outside world will have little to do with the actual RP. This however, isn't always so. Lots of places get their food, such as those eggs, from Morrowind. Say Morrowind goes into a depression, or goes into war, they are either going to be conserving their food, or selling it like crazy for more funding. Now, the RPers must understand, this is not a WAR RP. I have a sinking feeling that everyone is going to be declaring war within the first page. I do not, however, ban war from happening. This is a political RP, things are tense, I understand there is going to be war. But let's not overdo it, shall we? Bretony, from what I understand, is like a Ancient Greece. City-States govern themselves, but, there is a centralized power which still watches over them. I forewarn you, I have a feeling that there is going to be some revolt, some failure, some success, and some annexation. The map which you have showed us, Wooly, will be forever changing. So, in this sake, the leaders of Bretony will not have as much power as the absolute rulers down in Daggerfall. Daggerfall, methinks, is like a 14th century France. Louis XIV, the sun god, versailles, all that good stuff. That ruler is going to be dominant; and he is going to want an army to crush the opposing enemy. Which makes sense, because they have a tough army.

Religion is going to make things worse. From what I understand, all Bretons, high and low, revere the same deities, no? So: how is going to be the martyr country? That's the million dollar question. And, depending upon who wants to lead them, they will be Crusaders, or they will be Monks. Either way, they will be the center piece of this whole RP. Because, people, especially the fancy pansy church people, are going to migrate to that country. That place will be a center of culture, making it the best place to be. They are going to be rollin' in the cash, and, depending upon what they spend with it, they will either be the king or the pawn. My money's on the king.

Well, there is some feedback. Glad to be back? Leel.

Yes EB.

The primary deal is politics, but I think there will be war, a bit of it on the borders and such. Remember too that many of the border cities may change sides (so don't make your people unhappy).

PFA and I will post some rule idea up and a realism list or something like that. We have it covered; but oh boy, the politics will be fun, and the war will be too. War will be there when needed, but I encourage politics to be primary. If one cannot gain his land back through politics, then he must use war.

From what I have heard from EB, he is going to join but he isn't sure what to take yet. That will come in time.

BladeMaster, aye, good luck. I'll put you down for Kambria.


Now for all of the political and warish fun we shall have, you guys need to focus on your characters and make things interesting. Our characters will be competing- but this is a story, not a competition (though I do expect some competitiveness. Yes, you will use whatever to try to win the battle you are in). Character development is important. I want that to be interesting, too.

Most of the realism stuff will be covered in the final opening post.


Also, I am opening up to who takes Koegria to decide if it is with United Bretony or Wayrest. I still have to talk to PFA about this more though, right now, the idea is out there. If no one takes it, it shall remain with Wayrest.

Dibs on Anticlere. I am conquering the world.

Looks like I get a pink dot or some white ones. Well, this will be fun; I want to test myself with a little dot...

I will probably be with United Bretony. We will see who else joins and what city they want. I'll put you down for Anticlere, Elite.

You will be an interesting diplomatic contact. I look forward to sending random bretons to move their jaws in your presence.

Yea that too...

You can discuss things with people in OOC outside of the RP, but I prefer everything to be done in RP form (as your negotiating is where you RP sending an emissary and you RP that emissary etc.). If it is a secretive plan, you acknowledge that the person who is gone has left the castle (not telling where they went). You really have to do everything in RP form. All negotiations that are not supposed to be hidden will be done in-roleplay in-character.

Faction list has moved to the opening post. Take a look at it.


Plus if any of you want to sign up, there you can see the factions, and there location on the map.

I kinda thought all the smaller cities in the Daggerfall and Wayrest areas would be controlled by the same person. Might take a while to fill every spot.

They will be unless people sign-up to take them.


We are in starting shape now, PFA and I are just giving it some 4 to 5 days or a week before we are complete with the final OP and all.

We will have to start with unclaimed cities. I will control most of the ones in United Bretony that are left unclaimed. Everyone else can have theirs. I also think EB and Steve will have a white dot or something, it just depends. Basically, we are good to go, but the spot is "open" for the person who wants to join. Get me?

I'd imagine Wayrest as being more like France under Louis XIV. He was the first true absolute monarch of Europe and claimed his power by taking out the nobles influence. If Daggerfall is supposedly using a feudal system then the nobles are likely to be very important. As for religion. Each city/town in High Rock has one deity that they worship more than others, but I agree that they share pretty much the same religion. Unlike the Daedra, the Nine Divines (or in this case, the Eight Divines) are pretty mutual with each other so there wouldn't be a war between deities. I'd assume one of the monarchies would be the religious hub as divine right was the justification for monarchs to rule by heredity in Europe.

The rulers of the nations will be characters that people come up with. You can imagine a state one way or another, but the characters that people make will define things ultimately. I honestly don't know what kind of characters people will make, although I think I know what Ravanger is planning to go with (that's a surprise for you all, unless he tells you). Everyone's character will have his thoughts, opinions, and actions. We shall see if Ravanger's character is like Louis XIV.

Aye, I think Steve might be pretty good here. I haven't seen him RP a whole lot, but his posts in the other RP's are good, and he knows a bit of history apparently.

PFA is going to flesh Daggerfall out a lot. No doubt he will come up with something interesting.

The Opening Post is updated further.

Rules/tidying up will be complete sometime. EVERYONE look at the bottom half of the new opening post. Thanks.

Note: You may all start working on your sheets!

Koegria for me. Who rules it?

Well Jonas, I was thinking either Wayrest or United Bretony. According to the map, it is Wayrest...but...

I was going to have the one that picked it choose its side. If no one picked it, it would stay with Wayrest. Which side would you like to be on? Darth Ravanger seems very lonely...

:nope:

Wayrest it is.

Yes, Wayrest and Daggerfall won't start off as buddies or even anywhere close; whether the two form an alliance will be a part of the main intrigue of the RP. However it isn't impossible for them to get together, as France, when threatened by Germany, went great lengths to ally with Russia and the UK pre-WWI.

Aye, so everyone start working on their sheets. Anyone who wants to sign-up still can.

Also, do any of you have some good name suggestions? I think we will start the RP with the council of United Bretony meeting, or we will just start with everyone at their city. I don't know yet. Right now, focus on the sheets.

I got the two mixed up.

Oh, and what I meant by religion, is: Who is going to be the Frankish Crusaders, and who is going to be Jerusalem?