So, you're stating that your opinion is fact, just like Maxson is, without collating data to prove it, just like Maxson is.

Read my other post.

Let me make it easy for you.

Well, Maxson knows 1 Synth and it's his best friend and loyalist to the Brotherhood.

While you know at least three if you do all the quests and all three of them are better than normal humans. The fourth is an [censored] but even he's completely loyal to the Institute and not planning Skynet genocide.

I gotta agree with TC on this. I do not like the BoS in this game.

It seems contradictory to suggest that the BoS's goal is to keep dangerous tech out of the hands of those who would abuse it, when they themselves abuse tech to pursue discriminatory goals that have NOTHING to do with their mission statement.

Paladins my ***, they should call themselves Blackguards.

Listen, dudes.

That doesn't prove that the machines genuinely experience emotion. It could be just as simple as Codsworth -- doing the mathematics compared to humans to determine what emotions are correct to display at any given time.

I'm not saying that's what it is. I'm saying that, because you utterly lack proof, that's what it very well could be.

Oh, you brick wall, you.

They are birthed, from a womb, with human DNA. They are human. Humans feel emotiooonnnn. They're not machines.

Did you see the Synth get created when you first got to the institute?

It's uh.

It's not a womb birth at all.

Actually, we have as close to an objective test as humanly possible.

Curie isn't programmed to simulate human emotions.

However, she gains them when she uploads herself.

She frequently complains about them. Since the Institute didn't program her, they're biological.

Curie isn't in her robot body. She is in her synth body. It's still a machine.

Really Roger Warrick utterly defeats every argument that synths have true emotion. His whole mission? Grow crops for years until the scientists are happy with them, then kill his entire family and burn the farm to the ground.

Adendum: The doctor in the Memory Den tells you a human mind can't handle curie's programming, which again proves that synths aren't human.

Why should he care? He doesn't know them.

Unless you get a brain scan, Synths don't have the memories of who they're impersonating.

This. Look at how synths are made and tell me they are natural:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cvZRA4C1Oi4

That whole process is an abomination. I wholeheartedly support the BOS destroying this monstrosity. Something like that should NEVER exist.

Does Roger even want to do that? I remember doing that quest and one of my Survivor's offered answers was asking why he says that they are his wife and children. I did not take the option, but it does seem that he is warming up to them. Did Biotech even tell him that he should kill them in the end?

it confirms that they have skeleton, tissues and are mostly made of organic materials. In other words, they really aren't machines.

That the creation makes you feel uncomfortable is not an issue. Birthing isn't that pretty either.

They aren't human, certainly. Biologically speaking its impossible for them to be considered the same "species" as humanity.

But they're certainly another form of sentience. I prefer to think of them as almost like a sub-species. But that classification doesn't really fit either.

Well there is that robot in the School in Diamond city that falls in the love with the teacher.

Hard to tell if that's pre-programming or not. But that robot was the exact same model as Curie.

Pfft.

Watch childbirth and say THAT should exist.

Are you serious? He sort of needs a brain scan to fool the people. And even if he didn't, if he truly had emotions, don't you think he'd grow attached to the people he is going to live with for a year or more?

The computer terminal I read just outlined the mission statement. I didn't find Roger until after I blew the Institute to hell, so there were no dialogue options.

They're totally machines. They have input joints along the spine for when they act out of line and need to be reprogrammed, which requirs them to sit in this chair with huge long spikes. Nevermind the access codes that literally turn them off.

Addendum: The sceintist, Max, says they don't need to eat or sleep which pretty much disproves any mortality that you want to claim.

Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cvZRA4C1Oi4somewhere around 3:40

The power of cyborgs.

There's a difference between childbirth and essentially mass-producing humans.

Kellogg still needed to eat and sleep.

This.

Nevermind that they aren't humans.

It depends how you define human.

Ghouls are human.

Just badly diseased.

Is the Sole Survivor Human if he has the Ghoulish, Solar Powered, and Aquaboy perk?

No worries, just thought you might want to know if you wanted more accurate poll results

Ghouls are mutated humans. Synths are robots made with the bones of dead humans. It's not a hard concept to grasp.

This whole question about whether or not synths are human is totally tangential (from my perspective: they're not), the question is: are humans the only being worthy of life?