Unofficial and under the table. the BoS is wholly unaware that Teagan sends you. Stop reaching across three states for straws.

Stop and think about Synths. Think about Skynet. Coursers have ten points in every SPECIAL stat. Imagine if they managed to get out from under their subservience programming. Maxson is correct to be afraid of them to the point of extermination.

You can convince Maxson not to kill him as a personal favor to you because you accomplished so much for the Brotherhood.


Ghouls are populous, yes. And some of them are damned nice people. But becoming feral is a random occurence if Billy-the-200-years-in-a-refridgerator-boy proves anything. I, personally, don't like the idea of killing sentient ghouls -- but you're being foolhardy if you don't think there's any logic to it.

Ghouls don't eat people. They kill people.

Odd difference but it's important.

Besides, ghouls are dead.

They don't need to eat.

I assume they get whatever sustenance they need from radiation.

Ghouls aren't dead. They do eat. A BoS soldier is feeding them cram under the airport.

True but Refrigerator Boy was in one for 200 years.

Maybe if they don't eat, they go into hibernation.

Why so many Ferals are lying around the places they were zapped.

Actually that's a good point, the laying down thing. I noticed that when I was exploring the Yangtze.

yeah, I thought it was lore that ghouls survive via radiation alone (it even brings them back to life via Glowing ones). The "civilised" ghouls just eat/drink for old times sake, to keep up appearances, they don't actually need to.

Slog guy says they can still taste things so that explains why.

I think Radiation might cause ghouls to go feral but that makes no sense because Jason Bright is a Glowing One.

eating people seems to be a thing for ferals. where else does the bos initiate get the idea to feed them cram instead? why else would they stay downstairs? there's no radiation down there.

They're doing what now? I thought these guys were xenophobic. Does his brothers in arms make comments about it? If not, they so need too. "Hey, that guy is feeding ghouls cram." "Death to ghouls." "No, we're feeding them cram now." "Rights for ghouls."

Maxson isn't protecting the Commonwealth he is invading it. The BOS is the aggressor.

They are also my favorite faction and I wish I had a bit more influence over their behavior. I do agree that Bethesda did a great job with the BOS faction, I am glad that they are no longer 'white knights'. I just wish the shade of grey was a little less dark.

Well, he's doing both.

The Capital Wasteland is much improved from what it was. It just is much improved being the feudal domiciles of House Stark Maxson.

Also, I rather like the fact Bethesda and Obsidian gave a One-Two punch to the BoS purists.

1. Father Elijah and Veronica both show what utter fools the BoS is and how pathetic they are.

2. Elder Maxson shows just what the BoS without their isolation and Lyons' morality would be.

It makes Lyons all the more noble that he kept his decency.

They don't seem very aggressive to the human settlements, Teagan's secret under the table shenanigans, which absolutely not one single person in the Brotherhood of Steel is aware of, excluded.

The thing is, he's the Quartermaster and you can ask him, straight up, "Do I have the authority to do this?"

With great reluctance, he says, "Yes, yes you do."

And even then, the BOS can and does intend to stay in the Commonwealth after the Institute is no more.

Maxson says as much.

"You can get much farther with a kind word and a gun than you can with a kind word alone."

They purify the wasteland and try to bring stability and civilization to it. You're not going to get that with a bunch of talk. You have to use force at times to achieve this.

Seems to me he's lying, then, what with how he's trying to keep it hush hush.

His heart is bleeding for the poor babby feral ghouls who were human once.

Agreedo.

Hear, hear. They also need the food resources to keep doing that. The settlers are lucky I do it through charisma and not laser fire.

Fortunately you get sent to take care of that fool, and if you want to go the non-lethal route and therefore have to leave his pets alone Lancer-Captain Kells takes care of them anyway (at least I believe so, since the optional objective 'exterminate ghouls' completed once I reported to him).

Actually I really wanted to shoot that sappy idiot in the face, but [Danse hated that], so I didn't and made him turn himself in.

I have no problem with killing Ferals, it's the normal ones I take issue with exterminating. They're just humans with a... bit of a skin condition

Until Maxon tasks me with an Arthas-style culling of Stratholm upon Good Neighbor's sentient populace, I'm going to say he is aware and has *some* level of tolerance for individuals of sentient and peaceable existences in the wasteland. Blind Betrayal doesn't count as you can convince him otherwise to spare Danse, and he doesn't undermine your wishes by having him killed some other way. Which he very well could have.

Now, unlike some other chapters of the Brotherhood, he would never allow a ghoul, or super mutant, or Synth to actively serve under his command. Is it racist? Sure. But the Brotherhood's Bigotry isn't just some war between socioeconomic classes of humanity. It's about protecting themselves from what has proven time and time again to be an active threat. As sad as it was, Danse really had to be banished as the alternative. All it would take is the institute to find out he was N-7 9-7, for them to issue a recall code and learn *everything* Danse knows about the Brotherhood, secrets, weakness's, relationships. Or even worse, reprogram him to know all these things and set him out against the Brotherhood.

Between that and the feelings of utter betrayal people had accrued from learning he had been *hiding amongst them* It just wouldn't be safe for him to be with the Prydwen crew anymore. Not while they were in a war against the institute, not after he had run away and made himself to appear traitorous.

The fact that you can destroy any of the factions makes me wonder if we will get the chance to see them return in any capacity. I am really hopeful for a post-game dlc that will take all of your choices into consideration and maybe allow you to explain yourself to the world or whatever. Maybe you get a chance to justify why you made your choices and then we can move forward from there and possibly rebuild a splinter faction. Really I would like to see the DC Brotherhood move back into the territory after hearing the BoS was destroyed once before and then we might get the chance to retry our relationship with them ha ha.

My current SS is supporting BoS. Being from the past and jumping to the future he sees the mutants and synth as unnatural and needs to be eliminated if mankind is to have a chance. Feral ghouls need to be killed obviously. Intelligent ghouls he just feels sorry for but thinks they need to be put down for their own good. He's obviously not fond of the RR or GN.

Would the BoS wipe out that ghoul farm that grows the tarberries if they found it? Probably right? I mean there was that mention of that ghoul city somewhere they wiped out in FO3. Icky, icky [censored]s those bucketheads them. If you wanna be an [censored] be an [censored] for a reason, like science. Maybe it doesn't always make sense but there is quantifiable reason behind the behavior, not some vague philosophical ideal about what 'purity' or humanity means. I mean. There's no purpose to their brutality yah know? Except belief. Their belief that they aren't even allowed to question because it's all wrapped up in quasi-military dogmatism and rigidity but is justified because they have guns. And they have all the nice guns because they originally went out to ensure people wouldn't use the guns to be [censored]s but they ARE [censored]s now but they don't have to think about that anymore because they have the guns and they can shoot anyone who disagrees with them and their rigidity allows them excise any kind of rebellion fomenting within the ranks without much of an issue.

Seriously. They actually nauseate me.

I need to go blow up the Prydwen again.

I hope so too. Post endgame expansion quests for every ending.

Great idea, I totally approve.

More character development and roleplaying options is nearly always a good thing.

Um, the fact that even intelligent ghouls can, and often do go feral? Isn't that a reason?

Also, where is the mention of the BoS wiping out the Underworld? I haven't seen it. They're never actually seen exterminating sentient ghouls anywhere, are they? (I'm genuinely asking here, cause I only ever encountered the BoS fighting ferals, hostile synths and supermutants).

Source for 'often?' IIRC Hancock mentions that a ghoul went feral in Diamond City and whatshisface mayor used that as a pretext to kick all of them out, he also (correctly) mentions that humans sometimes snap and kill people too. It's not a good reason. It's similar to saying 'well, we know your family has a history of violent psychotic breaks so we're just going to kill all of you just in case I'm sure you understand xoxoxoxo.'

And it wasn't Underworld, it was on their way to the Capital Wasteland I think. It happened before the game's timeframe.

EDIT:

Nope, I'm thinking about the Scourge. Dunno why I connected that to a city of ghouls though. Weird.

Hang on, isn't this "Taking advantage of the commonwealth"? Didn't they just come here to "save" it? I'm getting mixed messages here. The Brotherhood are well stocked and supplied, and I bet they can get plenty of food from their vanquished foes, certainty more then any settler or gunrunner or raider can. Do they really need to leech from the very people they claim to protect? Hell, with theich high tech, you'd think they'd have high tech farm installed in their bunkers that grow food at an accelerated rate.