Yeah it feels more like they're setting up a kingdom/dictatorship for after they defeat the Institute.

Source is just general lore, I guess, like the Hancock bit you just mentioned.

It's like taxes. You can't have a protective force without sustaining it somehow. The Commonwealth just has to pay for stability with resources, the BoS is not, and simply can't be, a charity. Their high-tech is primarily armor and weaponry. Oh, and their vanquished foes mostly eat human meat, btw.

I fail to see how this is any different from humans. Just look at the intro, before any mutants. "War. War never changes." Humans are already as bad as mutants and history proves it time and time again, AND it's been established in the game before the bombs fell already before we even get to controlling the character. There's good in humans of course, but I've seen good in mutants in Fallout before. As well as bad humans. Just look at the raiders. They're bad. There's a LOT of them. There's also a LOT of ghouls. And Synth. And so on. Are they all alike within their own race?

This whole "Proven to be a threat thing" is hogwash. Just look at a game like Valkyrie Chronicles. That game proves that there's two sides to each fence. The group over there that came to burn your village and kill your friends isn't the same as the individuals in the same borders that were un-involved. Humans can't even get beyond this amongst their own races. But it's the number one problem of why people get treated differently due to race. And "mutant" and "synth" is a "race". Good AND bad in any basket. If the brotherhood can't understand that, then sod them. They see bad because it's all they want to see. Just like how someone will want to see bad in another racial group of humans after their race came and burned down your village. Doesn't mean they're all alike.

Hell, it's BECAUSE OF HUMANS that the bombs fell. Mutants were un-involved in that and didn't even exist at that point. If we go by your logic humans have been proven to be an "active threat" because of that and therefor deserve to be cleansed and wiped off the face of the earth because they're so destructive, and not only that MADE the mutants! By that logic the Brotherhood should be opposed to humanity altogether. Because "Humans" proved they can't be trusted. Is it any wonder the master came along with that line of thinking?

http://baldursgate.wikia.com/wiki/Balthazar Who was a race of something and actually tried to do that. Meant well of course, but deluded all the same. It all circles back doesn't it? Meaning well yet that's the problem all the time, no matter which side you try to be on. Because you act like you know what's best. And the brotherhood think they know better then any of the other factions, save perhaps for the institute. I'd put them on par. The only side that should ever be sided with for me is the side where no one acts like they know better. And if that is not possible it should be possible to oppose or otherwise deny joining the factions. That's why NV was so great, it allowed all possibilities. Why haven't Beth learned this? They might not be the same company, but it's been in a past game and they could have taken note and used that logic here. And we could even do it in 3 in a way. Sure, you have to decide if you were with or against the Enclave, but it never felt like you had to "side" anyone if you opposed the Enclave either, because it was about genocide, and therefor more then just any single faction/side.

I dunno, if they "often" go Feral then the fact we frequently run into 200 year old ones is a new definition of often.

And Lyon's people shot at Underworld's ghouls in Fallout 3.

I thought they fired 'warning shots'? The Brotherhood certainly doesn't want any ghouls in their general vicinity, but they don't actively try to exterminate the sentient ones either.

Also, I guess the thing with ghouls it's like the issue with mages in Dragon Age... if there's potential for this - pretty devastating - kind of corruption, the subject should be contained at best, liquidated at worst.

Always side with mages.

I am Mageneto.

Psst... I... did too. But don't tell anyone, It'll ruin my reputation.

It's actually quite interesting how my personal moral code seems to do a 180 between games like DA and Fallout.

I heard that. HEY EVERYONE! GUESS WHAT!

Goddamnit!

Maxson isn't the saint that Lyon's was, but you guys are making him out (sometimes literally in other threads) to be like Hitler.

I think it's all the Nazi regalia and Enclavisms.

Wait, are you serious? what Enclavisms?

The original BoS refused to recruit wastelanders?

Maxson doesn't.

The original BoS refused to protect people.

Maxson doesn't.

You really need to get over the ghoul thing. Even Elder Lyons never protected sentient ghouls beyond "hey, if they keep to themselves leave them alone" and really, Maxson seems to be doing the same thing because the BoS isn't invading Goodneighbor.

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=http://forums.bethsoft.com/topic/1562728-a-poll-about-bos/s&source=web&cd=2&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwjFtIrAxrHJAhXINT4KHVh1Az8QFgggMAE&url=http%3A%2F%2Funitedfederationofcharles.blogspot.com%2F2012%2F08%2Fthe-morality-ambiguity-of-brotherhood.html&usg=AFQjCNFS-MnrIfhpdm7BlWR0a6UGGEQUgA&sig2=rYKk1Hf3-sXzY8qCh7wYIw

Weirdly, I [censored] you not, I actually predicted most of Elder Maxson's rise to power.

* They conduct Purity tests which include whether you have had six with a nonhuman
* They use a Latin phrase as they're battle cry

* They're waging a militant war of extermination against nonhumans

* They are determined to rule the Wasteland directly by waging aggression wars of annexation

They're basically Autumn's Enclave.

Are you serious? I mentioned earlier, either in this thread or another one of yours, that your next morning is never guaranteed. You could have a terrible disease that needs to be cured -- one that could be infectious as hell. I'm surprised at the ammount of people who downplay to ignore how dangerous the world of Fallout is. There are no modern conveniences.

Okay? So did the U.S. military, from which both organizations trace their ancestry.

The Enclave would also exterminate non Enclave humans.

Yep, and either way, Lyons wasn't a saint (he was definitely not a fan of mutated humans, even the sentient ones) and Arthur Maxson is hardly a bad guy. A well intentioned extremist? Maybe. But it's the wasteland. Some extremism is necessary to make a change for the better.

See? This guy gets it.

Except, Ad Victorium is "Hail Victory."

...

Or, translated to German, "Sieg Heil."

That's kind of direct.

How does one get around that?

Sir.

That straw you're grasping for is in another timezone.

If it's a straw it's a pretty huge one.

Albeit, it's not Nazism they represent so much as Warhammer 40K Space Marines.

Which are pretty awesome in only a ruthless deconstruction of everything British People hate (Nazis, The Inquisition, and Nobility) can be.

I want a DLC to get Maxson laid so he can ease up a bit. I like this BoS, I just think Arthur's biting off more than he can chew and that it's going to come back around if the SS isn't the one to serve him the cold dish.

It's 'to victory', actually. If latin mottos are so evil, is 'semper fi' invoking nazism as well?

Not unless the Nazis used it like the BoS motto.

Nazis had a military so anyone who has a military is trying to emulate them.

Supplies run out and they are far away from Washington where their farms are. Besides, if they want to keep growing stronger, they have to expand. They probably think that the Commonwealth would welcome them like Washington did, but fail to understand that the people of Commonwealth don't have it bad enough.

Heck, some characters dislike them more than they dislike The Institute. That's quite a feet.

They aren't raiders; the BoS are still humans, unlike raiders... They are the BoS once again, which means: Kill on sight for me.

So I like them just fine